As much as I love the album, some songs seem out of place so I arranged them in an order that makes more sense (to me).
Poltergeist
Swerve City
Entombed
Gauze
Goon Squad <---- Intro makes a great segue
Romantic Dreams
Leathers
What Happened To You?
Tempest
Graphic Nature
Rosemary <---- This would have been an awesome closer
What would you do?
This album doesn't need to be touched. I would understand a BIT more if we had a few extra songs to work with that didn't make the record, but it is arranged in the BEST possible order on the official version. it has the best flow it could possibly have right now. i'm very happy they moved Poltergeist from the opening slot and replaced it with Swerve City. i love Poltergeist, but it just doesn't belong as the opening track on this record.
i liken this record to the Cure's 'Disintegration' - change around the order of any track and you ruin the whole beautiful masterpiece in a way. everything in its right place, all dynamics working to the album's advantage. just my 2 cents.
AS IT IS.........locked?
Pointless thread.Should be locked
I wouldn't change shit.
Neither i think it was ordered perfectly
wouldnt change it for the world. if you listen well the entire album is like a story .. no need to skip chapters here and there and rearrange them .. it all flows beautifully like a story
Leathers
Sweve city
etonbed
graphic nature
tempes
Romantic dreams
Poltergeist
Goon squad
Whty
Rosemary
"etonbed", think I must've missed that track?
Agreeing with all of the "no change" statements. This is the first time since White Pony that I haven't even thought about a different track order.
I think they did a great job at placing the songs. It doesn't fizzle out like Diamond Eyes and start to sound too much the same.
I'd switch Poltergeist and Swerve City. But at least with Swerve City opening I can just start at track 2 and let the rest play.
^ i agree
yeah, i've listened to as intended for a while, now i've i re-orded the track list ;) i'm guilty.
i reckon swerve works great second but not first...
so i'd go with poltergeist first (i briefly considered good squad.... but i'd just move it to after entombed maybe... and move rosmeary to after what happened to you...
just my two bobs... for an an alternate order.
To me, there's just something amazing about "Rosemary" being the opener. I love how quiet it is, then all the space starts to get filled in by Frank. Once Stef starts playing, it feels like "OK..here is where the Koi No Yokan shuttle takes off". It reminds me of "Bored" in the sense that it takes a while for it to start. From ATF to DE...they all have songs thats start off "quickly". Not saying thats a bad thing, I just prefer Rosemary to open up the album because of the layers, the heaviness, and that fucking beautiful outro. I would even keep "Goon Squad" as the 2nd track. It flows so amazingly well.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:00 AM
To me, there's just something amazing to me about "Rosemary" being the opener. I love how quiet it is, then all the space starts to get filled in by Frank. Once Stef starts playing, it feels like "OK..here is where the Koi No Yokan shuttle takes off". It reminds me of "Bored" in the sense that it takes a while for it to start. From ATF to DE...they all have songs thats start off "quickly". Not saying thats a bad thing, I just prefer Rosemary to open up the album because of the layers, the heaviness, and that fucking beautiful outro. I would even keep "Goon Squad" as the 2nd track. It flows so amazingly well.
from a purely musical (non lyrical) standpoint, this could have been arranged so many ways..
i'll post my two alternate tracklists after i've tried them, i've already written them out on paper ;)
i'll let you know how i go
tried that..
rosemary builds like a statement then meanders and the simple chug ending shouldn't have had it's ambiance fade out - frank should have built more and more layers on the heavy riff until it ended there. (hopefully not for as long, it looses it's magic on the record i reckon)
that stuff and a bit too long for an opener as the middle meanders about a bit
IMO ;)
Quote from: lungdamage on Nov 13, 2012, 01:19 AM
tried that..
rosemary builds like a statement then meanders and the simple chug ending shouldn't have had it's ambiance fade out - fanrk should have built more and more til it ended there. so unless they cut the song to half the time, shorten and make sonically bigger the ending (not the clean outro) ... can't it fit at the start :( too long + meandering in the middle.
Oh yeah, thats my only gripe. Frank should made the noise go to 11. Continue that noise and cut off abruptly and then the outro would've made it perfect. But yeah....we can't change that, so to each their own. I like it at the beginning :-)
;) we agree on the most important thing though haha
How anyone could even contemplate moving Rosemary away from leading into Goon squad is a travesty!!
The way the end of Rosemary blends into teh intro of Good Squad is pure magic.
Read my post one more time. Maybe twice.
Done? Ok. I actually have Good Squad as track 2 on my rearranged playlist. I think they're both track at the beginning because they contract each other. One is darker, slower, lush..the other up-beat, faster.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:45 AM
Read my post one more time. Maybe twice.
Done? Ok. I actually have Good Squad as track 2 on my rearranged playlist. I think they're both track at the beginning because they contract each other. One is darker, slower, lush..the other up-beat, faster.
Well seeing as though you said you would follow Goon Squad on from Rosemary my comment obviously wasn't directed at you.
here's one...
1 poltergeist
2 leathers
3 swerve city
4 entombed
5 gauze
6 graphic nature
7 what happened to you (yep)
8 rosemary
9 goon squad
10 romantic dreams
11 tempest
Quote from: whipsy77 on Nov 13, 2012, 01:50 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:45 AM
Read my post one more time. Maybe twice.
Done? Ok. I actually have Good Squad as track 2 on my rearranged playlist. I think they're both track at the beginning because they contract each other. One is darker, slower, lush..the other up-beat, faster.
Well seeing as though you said you would follow Goon Squad on from Rosemary my comment obviously wasn't directed at you.
TOUCHE... my bad my bad!
Quote from: lungdamage on Nov 13, 2012, 01:51 AM
here's one...
1 poltergeist
2 leathers
3 swerve city
4 entombed
5 gauze
6 graphic nature
7 what happened to you (yep)
8 rosemary
9 goon squad
10 romantic dreams
11 tempest
I like this. I had Romantic Dreams at the end as well. It's so different from the rest of the record, I like the drama in it to be close to the end. I like it!
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM
Quote from: whipsy77 on Nov 13, 2012, 01:50 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:45 AM
Read my post one more time. Maybe twice.
Done? Ok. I actually have Good Squad as track 2 on my rearranged playlist. I think they're both track at the beginning because they contract each other. One is darker, slower, lush..the other up-beat, faster.
Well seeing as though you said you would follow Goon Squad on from Rosemary my comment obviously wasn't directed at you.
TOUCHE... my bad my bad!
Quote from: lungdamage on Nov 13, 2012, 01:51 AM
here's one...
1 poltergeist
2 leathers
3 swerve city
4 entombed
5 gauze
6 graphic nature
7 what happened to you (yep)
8 rosemary
9 goon squad
10 romantic dreams
11 tempest
I like this. I had Romantic Dreams at the end as well. It's so different from the rest of the record, I like the drama in it to be close to the end. I like it!
I just saw a few peoples comments where they had thr 2 songs seperate, but to me that transition is one of the highlights of the album.
yo no lo tocaria...
one thing i worked out when trying to puzzle them together was entombed and romantic dreams shouldn't be right next to each other, ever haha. both are quite repetitive in structure. have similar beginnings.
still like the tracks... just sayin :)
Quote from: whipsy77 on Nov 13, 2012, 01:57 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:55 AM
Quote from: whipsy77 on Nov 13, 2012, 01:50 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 13, 2012, 01:45 AM
Read my post one more time. Maybe twice.
Done? Ok. I actually have Good Squad as track 2 on my rearranged playlist. I think they're both track at the beginning because they contract each other. One is darker, slower, lush..the other up-beat, faster.
Well seeing as though you said you would follow Goon Squad on from Rosemary my comment obviously wasn't directed at you.
TOUCHE... my bad my bad!
Quote from: lungdamage on Nov 13, 2012, 01:51 AM
here's one...
1 poltergeist
2 leathers
3 swerve city
4 entombed
5 gauze
6 graphic nature
7 what happened to you (yep)
8 rosemary
9 goon squad
10 romantic dreams
11 tempest
I like this. I had Romantic Dreams at the end as well. It's so different from the rest of the record, I like the drama in it to be close to the end. I like it!
haha cheers, the only thing is that romantic dreams has the leathers sample fading in at the end, which is post production editing anyway... so ignore that ;)
if it was released in the order i posted i wouldn't really have batted an eyelid.....
also i like how the rhythm of the claps in the intro to poltergeist are very similar to the intro of tempest. the claps are just a faster bpm with an extra clap added into the rhythm..
so it's like a neat little package ;)
Quote from: scatterbrain on Nov 10, 2012, 06:39 AM
Pointless thread.Should be locked
this is a decent idea for a thread. breathe ....
Bump Rosemary to the closer spot.....get rid of What Happened to You all together. Perfect 10 songs. 5 stars.