This is just a quick observation, so don't feel offended when I say this, but recently I've been looking through some threads and there seems to be some harsh criticism and bashing towards certain albums (specifically SNW and DE... like, wtf?!). I'm not one to be a hypocrite, but I'd point out when a band has had a weak or mediocre album, and I'm sorry but Deftones have not had one at all (S/T might be their weakest according to general concensus, but it's by no means a bad album. It's actually still good). Each album is unique, creative, and distinctive in its own right. They seem to have one of the strongest discographies than most modern bands. I'm on other rock forums too, and they have so much love for them. Hell, even on the Linkin Park forums, they appreciate it.
Just recently, Leathers came out and most of the net was very excited to hear the track. They loved it, so did I. Then I came on here, and the enthusiasm was minimal bordering on "eh".
I'm not trying to bash fans here or anything, but it just seems that a lotta people are too overly critical of their music (not enough screams/not heavy enough/too experimental/Chino lost his touch, etc.), especially the hard fans which I did not expect. Can't we just enjoy the fact that the band is still making consistently great music? :-\
Sorry for the rant.
No I totally agree i love anything by the Deftones but some take them for granted I am sure they will criticise the next single as well probably cause they build it up in their minds to a point where their only gonna be disappointed.
Guys, people have opinions. Not everyone has to blindly like everything Deftones do. I'm not saying you guys are blind following fanboy sheep but don't expect everyone else here to just jerk off over every song and every album all day. Personally I love every Deftones record and I'm sure KNY will be the same case but those who are dissatisfied provide us with contrast and discussion (at least when it's not mindless bashing bordering on retardism, which mindless praising can also be). Someone doesn't like something you like? Chill the fuck out and realize it's not the end of the world. I think Leathers is fantastic and look forward to hearing more but if Deftones fans just came in their pants over everything Chino and the gang did Deftones fans would be boring, mindless, uninteresting idiots and I'd probably have left this board years ago. I know some people nitpick and it can be annoying but that's just the name of the game when it comes to discussing music you're passionate about.
Quote from: Vesanic on Sep 23, 2012, 12:10 PM...
Sorry if you thought that was at you just a broad comment
Also sing blue silver i think you nailed it that's what I was talking about the nit pickers who seem like their deliberately trying to find flaws.
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
I'd point out when a band has had a weak or mediocre album, and I'm sorry but Deftones have not had one at all
Finally someone who speaks the truth.
Especially with their recent stuff it seems, based on the numerous interviews, that they have really enjoyed themselves and put out the record they wanted to. I appreciate that and to me Diamond Eyes and more recently Rosemary, Poltergeist and Leathers DO sound incredible and focused. All those pricks who are arguing that it doesn't sound "deftone-ish" enough should stop living in the past. Yes, they evolved further and yes, it sounds different from what they previously did, but saying it does not sound like them is ridiculous, since every record they released has been entirely different from each other.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Sep 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
Guys, people have opinions. Not everyone has to blindly like everything Deftones do. I'm not saying you guys are blind following fanboy sheep but don't expect everyone else here to just jerk off over every song and every album all day. Personally I love every Deftones record and I'm sure KNY will be the same case but those who are dissatisfied provide us with contrast and discussion (at least when it's not mindless bashing bordering on retardism, which mindless praising can also be). Someone doesn't like something you like? Chill the fuck out and realize it's not the end of the world. I think Leathers is fantastic and look forward to hearing more but if Deftones fans just came in their pants over everything Chino and the gang did Deftones fans would be boring, mindless, uninteresting idiots and I'd probably have left this board years ago. I know some people nitpick and it can be annoying but that's just the name of the game when it comes to discussing music you're passionate about.
Well, I wasn't trying to say people have opinions and stuff, 'cause I respect that, but you're right about the nitpicking, which is what I was trying to get at too. It just seems people like to tear apart a song if it doesn't sound like something the band would do (trust me, I just hung up my Linkin Park fan badge. I know how that feels.) I'm just shocked at the response the more recent stuff has gotten. It's like people are still yearning for the days of ATF and WP to even consider that they're evolving their sound and isn't it right in assuming that fans should evolve/adjust with the sound, too?
One thing I love about Deftones is that every record sounds different to the last - they standout in what is otherwise an often formulaic genre.
It keeps me interested as a fan.
I loved ATF and all it's angst when I was 16 (still love that album, make no mistake) but as an adult I enjoy hearing Deftones make 'mature' and artistic music. It's great hearing a band grow on every record.
lol linkin park
Where does the hate come from? People want to prove to they're not a "fanboy". I think some is actual opinion but a lot is just to impress their peers. It's a lame trend.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c#ws)
But seriously, I like debating my opinions with other people's opinions. That's part of the fun of this place.
this place has a lot of love... the love for expressing hatred
The consensus is that S/T is their weakest album??
Anywho, I haven't listened to Leathers yet, but I feel like it was pretty well received. Welcome to Sharing Lungs, lol; nothing is going to change, and I don't know if it should. Some people here have dedicated a lot of time, effort, and thought to the band and the fan community, and some of those people didn't like Leathers, or SNW, or whatever song or album. It doesn't make them bad fans. I'd rather come on here and read some intriguing conversation about a song or an album, even if it's woven intricately together with excrement and sarcasm, than I would a washboard of "this is the greatest." I think in general most of the long-term members here are that way.
Much respect,
-Matt
*insert lame Fifty Shades of Sharing Lungs joke here*
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 23, 2012, 05:38 PM
this place has a lot of love... the love for expressing hatred
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Sep 23, 2012, 06:03 PM
The consensus is that S/T is their weakest album??
Anywho, I haven't listened to Leathers yet, but I feel like it was pretty well received. Welcome to Sharing Lungs, lol; nothing is going to change, and I don't know if it should. Some people here have dedicated a lot of time, effort, and thought to the band and the fan community, and some of those people didn't like Leathers, or SNW, or whatever song or album. It doesn't make them bad fans. I'd rather come on here and read some intriguing conversation about a song or an album, even if it's woven intricately together with excrement and sarcasm, than I would a washboard of "this is the greatest." I think in general most of the long-term members here are that way.
Much respect,
-Matt
Lol yeah I agree, but opinions are a different topic. I'm just saying that bands, including Deftones, wanna try out new styles, so I don't see the point in fans getting salty about experimenting... We should be open to that stuff *shrug*. I also don't love everything they put out. There's a few songs on SNW and DE that I skip.
And general concensus, well, not "general" but a lotta metalheads on this site I can trust with ratings:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Deftones/59/ (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Deftones/59/)
And a few other forums. lol
The problem isn't with the opinions given, it's just the incredibly childish nature in which they're given and taken. Some people don't know how to constructively criticise or give valid opinions without reacting like an emotional retard and calling someone an Idiot etc.
Think before you speak (type). It really is that simple. Oh, and just be wise about what you post.
Quote from: nineteen on Sep 23, 2012, 08:24 PM
The problem isn't with the opinions given, it's just the incredibly childish nature in which they're given and taken. Some people don't know how to constructively criticise or give valid opinions without reacting like an emotional retard and calling someone an Idiot etc.
Think before you speak (type). It really is that simple. Oh, and just be wise about what you post.
Nah, I'm not that type of person. I like to reserve opinions to myself, and even so, I respect other opinions too. Just sometimes it can be jarring to see a Deftones fan forum react a bit out of place when the band decides to do something different. Oh well, I know it's just concerned fans. You should've seen the Korn forums when they found out Korn was doing a dubstep album. It was beautiful chaos. lol
Lol...I'm sorry but shut up. You make a post about how ppl are bashing certain albums and then TELL ppl that they're wrong? Music isnt science, it isnt full of facts, ppl just have different opinions. And it's a forum; do you expect ppl to not express their opinions just because it isnt positive?
blaze, what is your point of creating this topic? are you trying to convince everyone to think like you?
New to the board, but been a lurker/reader for a couple years, and I can see how a lot of negativity towards the band does get tiring. It's like the opposite of being a fanboy but equally as annoying.
I find it odd when people like everything a band does, but also find it strange when people are super critical of what they claim to be their favourite band. It's like saying you're a massive deftones fan, but aren't keen on anything they did after ATF, that'd be kinda weird.
I don't say I'm a deftones fan and force myself to like everything they do, I consider myself a deftones fan because I love their music, their records have soundtracked periods of my life from age 16 to now (28). I love the majority of their output, therefore they are my favourite band.
I always look forward to what deftones will do next. ATF is a great record, but I'd hate them to make ATF2.
exactly theres this one dude on here who keeps crticizing chinos voice live but he uploads every fucking show- picking and chooses what he thinks to be the bands best and worst. me, i like it all thers some stuff i dont like (likeMein) but that me in MHO, not as a definite fact.
idk maybe some people are just you know..THOSE people.
Quote from: blondie on Sep 24, 2012, 05:36 PM
blaze, what is your point of creating this topic? are you trying to convince everyone to think like you?
Nope. Just hopefully open their minds a bit.
differing opinions is only healthy on a message board. would be pretty boring if everyone always agreed on everything. but the problem SL has is that people tend to be pretty childish about it, and rage hard when someone has a different opinion than them. and the worst two kinds of people are, in my opinion, the fanboys who don't think the band can do anything wrong and get their panties in a bunch when someone says something negative, as well as the self-proclaimed experts who are never satisfied and think everything the band does is crap (hi, Ves).
Quote from: dictatesofreason on Sep 24, 2012, 06:49 PM
exactly theres this one dude on here who keeps crticizing chinos voice live but he uploads every fucking show- picking and chooses what he thinks to be the bands best and worst.
Whoever could you mean?
hahaha
For what it's worth, this ain't "hate", it's arguing about something that every member here is passionate about.
So, opinions.
However, teenagers will bring the music/band argument too far and will make it personal (especially when incapable to comprehend that another human being might have a completely different opinion about something). And then it gets dirty.
Play safe?
However, sometimes it's just trolling. This is the internet, get over it.
tell that to vesanik
Quote from: dictatesofreason on Sep 24, 2012, 08:26 PM
tell that to vesanik
Ironically, your argument is growing increasingly weaker due to the fact that V has done 75% of the legwork and volunteered his time to compile the majority of the live footage seen here. Your incessant bullshit is tiring, and I for one look forward to continued updates of shows and rare uploads from all the folks around here who put forth a hell of a lot more effort than myself....regardless of their opinions.
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 24, 2012, 07:04 PM
Quote from: blondie on Sep 24, 2012, 05:36 PM
blaze, what is your point of creating this topic? are you trying to convince everyone to think like you?
Nope. Just hopefully open their minds a bit.
i suppose you're the authority on opening minds for people. did you ever think for a second that there's something you passionately dislike that other people love? how about you open your mind to those things before trying to preach holier than thou bs to others?
Every time the band gain popularity more new dick riders who insist everything is amazong, just theres quite a few this time around.
Also they should stop being un-intellectual fanboys hating on V. Yeah some people on here have had shit with him in the past, thats fair enough, they have their own reasons I'm assuming, but all the new guys going off on him for being a little cynical, that don't appreciate all the archived stuff he's uploaded just pisses me off. It just makes me think they've made no attempt to actually try and witness some of the deftones' best shows.
I'm just glad they're still making music. It doesn't quite bring everyone the same enjoyment it brings me when they take these different creative paths, but THAT'S OKAY! I can't even believe we have to have this thread. Can we all just shut the fuck up now? If you see stupid posts, just don't read them.
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Every time the band gain popularity more new dick riders who insist everything is amazong, just theres quite a few this time around.
Also they should stop being un-intellectual fanboys hating on V. Yeah some people on here have had shit with him in the past, thats fair enough, they have their own reasons I'm assuming, but all the new guys going off on him for being a little cynical, that don't appreciate all the archived stuff he's uploaded just pisses me off. It just makes me think they've made no attempt to actually try and witness some of the deftones' best shows.
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hey billyocean no9. you sound pissed. This shit keeps you up at night, huh? but you're right that dude does post some awesome shows.
Fair enough V much respect to you.
eh we just love to hate ;)
godwin's law ^
Reading some of the responses here, I didn't mean to rustle peoples jimmies so much. Yeah, I'm open to all opinions. I'm not an asshole who wants to bring people down for not liking Deftones' new material. It's understandable and I respectfully agree. However, I guess my argument is just directed to music in general. It's happening to all new bands that want to try different stuff, and maybe this is me just leeching off my disappointment of the directions Linkin Park and Muse recently flew off in, I'm just trying to understand why people hate and why it's hard to adapt to new directions, even if they're surprisingly good directions. That's all. I'm not some Deftones elitist fanboy. For one, I dislike most of Adrenaline and a good few songs off ATF.
Once again, sorry for rustling many jimmies.
It happens with every band where the fans don't like an apparent change and some do. It has happened from the 60's to the present day, so this whole thing isn't new in the slightest. Once I realised that I was able to accept different directions and not label any band a sell-out or whatever. Besides, their old albums are always about to listen to.
But like I said, same things with every band.
pretty sure guys like mozart and beethoven were called sellouts/not true to their style, by the die hard fans who had been around since day one
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 25, 2012, 06:50 AM
For one, I dislike most of Adrenaline
My jimmies are officially rustled. I pray that you, sir, shall have an adrenaline listening party tonight, and report back tomorrow with a clear conscience. :)
Quote from: one weak on Sep 24, 2012, 09:33 PM
Quote from: dictatesofreason on Sep 24, 2012, 08:26 PM
tell that to vesanik
Ironically, your argument is growing increasingly weaker due to the fact that V has done 75% of the legwork and volunteered his time to compile the majority of the live footage seen here. Your incessant bullshit is tiring, and I for one look forward to continued updates of shows and rare uploads from all the folks around here who put forth a hell of a lot more effort than myself....regardless of their opinions.
+1, whether I agree with Ves' opinions is a different story, but he has done so much more for this board than anyone else here so....
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 25, 2012, 06:50 AM
Reading some of the responses here, I didn't mean to rustle peoples jimmies so much. Yeah, I'm open to all opinions. I'm not an asshole who wants to bring people down for not liking Deftones' new material. It's understandable and I respectfully agree. However, I guess my argument is just directed to music in general. It's happening to all new bands that want to try different stuff, and maybe this is me just leeching off my disappointment of the directions Linkin Park and Muse recently flew off in, I'm just trying to understand why people hate and why it's hard to adapt to new directions, even if they're surprisingly good directions. That's all. I'm not some Deftones elitist fanboy. For one, I dislike most of Adrenaline and a good few songs off ATF.
Once again, sorry for rustling many jimmies.
i don't think you rustled any jammies as much as we simply put you in your place.
you're welcome. :)
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 25, 2012, 06:50 AMFor one, I dislike most of Adrenaline and a good few songs off ATF.
I love ATF, but yeah, to me, Adrenaline leaves me cold. A few good tracks, but to me, just lacking in...something, I don't know what. It's their mosted dated sounding work too. Listened to whole of WP on way to work this morning and it still sounds fresh as a daisy.
So many new people on this forum
Foreal finally somebody said something...this is supposed to be the definitive DEFTONES site and most of the people especially the ones who are always are on here are always bashing the band or any other member who try's to say something nice...it's should be one love not divided like bully's in the school yard ..just saying ..reason why I'm hardly on here now.
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Sep 26, 2012, 01:03 AM
reason why I'm hardly on here now.
::gasp::
well then, we will all change our human ways so you can be here more often!
I love you blondie
Al rato putos.... ;)....LEATHERS kicks ass!! Block me if you must!
How can anyone call themselves a Deftones fan and dislike DE? That album pretty much typifies the band's sound and image.
I love SNW. I don't give a shit about DE. DE is a good record and I'm glad it acquired them a huge, new fanbase, but it's not the Tones I love. But I'm liking Leathers and Rosemary so far so I'm sure I'm gonna love KNY.
Quote from: Vesanic on Oct 05, 2012, 11:29 PM...
Easy now. Every post is subjective. You've never loved an album so much that you've said to yourself, how can anyone not love this? Now I understand that it isn't for everyone, but I still have that thought at times.
Quote from: Vesanic on Oct 06, 2012, 05:11 AM...
It's not about proving anything, just a feeling.
Let me tell you from experience.... this board is cynical as FUCK. Always has been, probably always will be. Deftones have some serious fans on here, who will probably never be happy until Chino sounds like he does on Around The Fur. You just have to ignore them and not let the negativity deter you from your love for the band, cause trust me, none of them give a shit what anyone on here thinks.
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
This is just a quick observation, so don't feel offended when I say this, but recently I've been looking through some threads and there seems to be some harsh criticism and bashing towards certain albums (specifically SNW and DE... like, wtf?!). I'm not one to be a hypocrite, but I'd point out when a band has had a weak or mediocre album, and I'm sorry but Deftones have not had one at all (S/T might be their weakest according to general concensus, but it's by no means a bad album. It's actually still good). Each album is unique, creative, and distinctive in its own right. They seem to have one of the strongest discographies than most modern bands. I'm on other rock forums too, and they have so much love for them. Hell, even on the Linkin Park forums, they appreciate it.
Just recently, Leathers came out and most of the net was very excited to hear the track. They loved it, so did I. Then I came on here, and the enthusiasm was minimal bordering on "eh".
I'm not trying to bash fans here or anything, but it just seems that a lotta people are too overly critical of their music (not enough screams/not heavy enough/too experimental/Chino lost his touch, etc.), especially the hard fans which I did not expect. Can't we just enjoy the fact that the band is still making consistently great music? :-\
Sorry for the rant.
So like what you like, what's it matter what other people think? I've been a fan since 99 and haven't looked back. Sure there are a select few tracks i dont keep in regular rotation (mein, street carp, pink cellphone) or albums i dont listen to as much as others but its my preference not anyone else's. Hell there are people out there who when i mention the Deftones automatically respond with "fuck that nu-metal crap" and i just dismiss them as easily as they dismissed the band. It's 2012 man, people like to voice their opinions no matter how popular or unpopular they might be, so jam out some ATF (my first exposure to the band and fav still) and smoke a blunt/drink a beer and relax.
My basic ass response to this thread: why the fuck not?
That's all that needed to be said, not all these pages and pages of opinionated crap.
Okay so there's only 4 pages, but still.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate DE, and SNW has a few good moments, but still.
some assholes think it's cool to be a dick to other fans.....i'm willing to bet they wouldn't act like this in person...it's easy to be tough over the internet...very different when you might land a blow to the grill.
You just learn to ignore the douchebags.
Nothing worse than an elitist dick hole who thinks he's a bigger fan because he's been a fan since the early 90s..i laugh at these clowns and toe down with any fool who wants to pop shit my way....but it's a realy nice thing when you find a like minded cool fan who just wants to wax Deftones and doesn't have delusions of grandeur.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Sep 23, 2012, 12:35 PM
Quote from: Blaze on Sep 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
I'd point out when a band has had a weak or mediocre album, and I'm sorry but Deftones have not had one at all
Finally someone who speaks the truth.
Especially with their recent stuff it seems, based on the numerous interviews, that they have really enjoyed themselves and put out the record they wanted to. I appreciate that and to me Diamond Eyes and more recently Rosemary, Poltergeist and Leathers DO sound incredible and focused. All those pricks who are arguing that it doesn't sound "deftone-ish" enough should stop living in the past. Yes, they evolved further and yes, it sounds different from what they previously did, but saying it does not sound like them is ridiculous, since every record they released has been entirely different from each other.
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