Alrighty, my friends. Things are really getting exciting here in the US. The Federal Reserve has done everything it possibly can to destroy the purchasing power and security of the dollar, while still maintaining its status as the global reserve currency. The federal government has made a complete mess out of the economy with its excessive debt, its massive tax take, its ever burgeoning entitlement liability, and the exponentially increasing complexity of its regulations. Congress has abdicated its responsibilities in rein in the executive branch's ever more militant behavior, and our unconstitutional, disgusting war activities across the globe only contribute to our bankruptcy and undermine our relationships across the globe. We have begun to turn the military-police paradigm we use across the globe back on ourselves.
There is a chance to stop all of this in its tracks, and it is a vote for Ron Paul. He is and has been consistently against all of these things for 12 terms in Congress. Due to his recent rise in the polls and the inability of the media to ignore him anymore, I have become heartened and have decided to really increase my efforts in stumping for him, including going door-to-door for the first time in my life for anything. I thought because hopefully in my 7000+ posts here over the years (okay, maybe not ALL of them ;)) I've built up enough cred that I don't just have the appearance of a bullshitter and I want to use this little forum to help out his cause.
So I made this topic to try to answer any questions anybody has about Ron Paul: where he stands on the issues, where you differ with him, etc. My hope is to get people to overcome their aversions to him and help me spread the word in the little time we have, because I believe that there is a chance to win this thing and actually change what looks to be a pretty fucking gloomy future from where I'm standing.
So ask me anything you'd like: economics, foreign policy, civil liberties, environment, the Constitution, ANYTHING. If you're not from the United States but are interested in Ron Paul or the issues he discusses, I'd be more than happy to talk about it, but I obviously won't be able to be as specific regarding policies in countries other than the US. I promise to be civil and to use my best efforts to answer any questions you might have.
And thanks for reading even this far.
IN LIBERTY,
Corey
P.S. He was on the Tonight Show on Friday and it was an excellent appearance. Very good place to start if you don't know very much about him.
Ron Paul & Joe Rogan on the Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUZIVYuluc#ws)
How long until the dollar crashes, which then eventually makes the euro to also crash?
A year, three, five?
The biggest issue I hear about amongst conservatives is Ron Pauls foreign policy, which is completely opposite to the other candidates policies. I don't see why he doesn't mention more often that he gets almost twice as much donations from the military than all the other republican candidates combined.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1)
Here's a couple qualms over Ron Paul that I've seen on facebook.
Again. The things he does and the things he says he wont do are 2 different things. He SAYS that he has agenda to tamper with abortion rights. Yet he authors bills regarding abortion rights. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR02597%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m& (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR02597%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m&)
and he says he has no intention to get in the middle of marriage rights. yet he authors bills like this: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR00724%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m& (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR00724%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m&)
I know the Racism thing is a dead horse of sorts and people will draw their own conclusions about the information but, here is more of the same type of thing from Ron Paul.http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-shaggy-defense/250256/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-shaggy-defense/250256/) Just an idea of what some of his haters are gonna throw at you.
Abortion? Marriage? Racism??
Whatever man, none of those issues even matter right now. (even his stances on all of these issues are fair)
We're in a world of complete bank ownership of the world, of endless wars that only benefit oil companies and defense contractors.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that is even TALKING about this issues, he's the only one even bringing up all of the blatant attacks of the Constitution. Unless you're pro war, pro debt slavery, anti rights, and anti constitution then there is no logical reason to support anyone else.
Even though the issues downtownpony brought to light may not be the most important issues as of right now, they will be apart of his presidency if Paul gets elected. Those issues will affect the country later down the line. He's just looking at the bigger picture, which is logical and pragmatic.
Quote from: raynor on Dec 18, 2011, 06:32 PM
How long until the dollar crashes, which then eventually makes the euro to also crash?
A year, three, five?
It's impossible to say just when, because it's all based on sentiment and whatnot. It is pretty obvious how fucked up and rigged the market is, mostly because so many of these countries can still actually sell bonds when they are clearly insolvent. So I know it's a total non-answer, but the collapse comes when people realize how badly they're being screwed over by holding bonds from insolvent countries who have decided to simply print the money to pay these back.
It's not even possible to say that the Euro won't tank before the dollar. Not to say the US isn't at debt-levels that are absolutely fucked, we are, but that's just it: the political aspect to the whole thing has taken away every bit of sense in investors, and for some reason they have believed that the dollar is the safe haven because it's had such "strength," which is really just perception.
Quote from: downtownpony on Dec 18, 2011, 06:51 PM
The biggest issue I hear about amongst conservatives is Ron Pauls foreign policy, which is completely opposite to the other candidates policies. I don't see why he doesn't mention more often that he gets almost twice as much donations from the military than all the other republican candidates combined.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1)
Yeah, it's fucking irritating. I've been showing a lot of people this video and have gotten a really good response:
You Like Ron Paul, Except on Foreign Policy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I8NhRPo0WAo#ws)
Quote from: downtownpony on Dec 21, 2011, 03:05 AM
Here's a couple qualms over Ron Paul that I've seen on facebook.
Again. The things he does and the things he says he wont do are 2 different things. He SAYS that he has agenda to tamper with abortion rights. Yet he authors bills regarding abortion rights. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR02597%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m& (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR02597%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m&)
and he says he has no intention to get in the middle of marriage rights. yet he authors bills like this: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR00724%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m& (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110%3AHR00724%3A%40%40%40L&summ2=m&)
I know the Racism thing is a dead horse of sorts and people will draw their own conclusions about the information but, here is more of the same type of thing from Ron Paul.http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-shaggy-defense/250256/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-shaggy-defense/250256/) Just an idea of what some of his haters are gonna throw at you.
Those first two links are broken :\ I don't have time to do the research myself, but if you can find those references elsewhere, I'd be glad to address them.
Here is an absolutely great post that someone made on the DailyPaul about those racist newsletters:
http://www.dailypaul.com/193306/ron-paul-newsletters-fact-from-fiction (http://www.dailypaul.com/193306/ron-paul-newsletters-fact-from-fiction)
Quote from: chick de la lynch on Dec 22, 2011, 08:11 PM
Even though the issues downtownpony brought to light may not be the most important issues as of right now, they will be apart of his presidency if Paul gets elected. Those issues will affect the country later down the line. He's just looking at the bigger picture, which is logical and pragmatic.
I agree with both of you. Downtownpony sounded like a supporter to me, merely bringing up the arguments where it isn't so clear-cut that he's better than the other candidates. Also, if these are issues that close someone's mind to the rest of his platform, then they must be addressed and overcome. Fortunately, the truth is on Ronny's side :)
But Wither-I is definitely correct in stating that there's issues that will have a much more profound effect on everyone's lives where it is absolutely clear that Paul is the only one on the correct side of (or hell, even bringing up) the argument and it would be nice if people would just stick to those (which, I've found, they do. Most of this bullshit just comes from the hyperventilating of the media).
Ron Paul. Hes the only person running that I could vote for. He really could save the country, which is why I dont think they will let him.
Pretty much. And I feel like a lot of people have problems distinguishing his PERSONAL views and his POLITICAL views. I think it's great that Ron Paul's personal and political views don't always match up. He firmly believes in these freedoms for the people, even if he disagrees with say abortion. I don't understand why more politicians aren't like that. Don't have political views based on your personal views or what will make you most popular. Political views should be thinking of every single American.
So, looks like unfortunately he didn't get get results in Iowa... Too bad, that would have been some change !! :-\
I can't believe people still vote for Santorum.
Yeah, I would really like to know how the hell Santorum gained popularity so quickly. He only missed out by eight votes. That's frightening, but then again it is Iowa. The Republican party seems to be all over the place right now, so who knows if Romney has this in the bag or not. I just hope to dear God it's not Santorum.
hooray for the republican party!
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 04, 2012, 02:26 PM
I can't believe people still vote for Santorum.
Every Evangelical got to have their wetdream come to life for a couple of days. He'll fade out quick.
It was a setup man...
Only person who could possibly steal my vote for Ron Paul is Randy Blythe, and I don't really see that happening.
I really don't understand America sometimes. Everyone seems to be bitching about something wrong, but they still support candidates that will do nothing different. Our country needs real change. Not the bullshit that Obama was spouting. It's frustrating.
You guys, don't worry about it! He still more than doubled his support in Iowa since 2008, and that was with more than a week's worth of constant barrages by the MSM after they've marginalized him the entire election! But Paul's the one with momentum, Santorum does not have enough money to continue his campaign until the end, and because he was so marginal before, people haven't scrutinized him and seen what an obvious fuckstick he is.
That is not to say that the rest of the road is going to be easy for Ron Paul, but people have noticed him after Iowa. People are actually talking about him and are curious about him and his views. And this is what I've been waiting for, because he is absolutely flawless in terms of the issues, and even if you disagree with him, it is so easy to find an issue that someone is at least a little passionate about where he is the only one on the right side. The War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism, all of the things that he believes are state's rights (abortion, schools, drug policy, etc), the Federal Reserve, the EPA, the list goes on and on. People are realizing that Obama and Romney are on the wrong side of all of these issues, and are actually starting to be curious about him and talk to Paul's supporters, who are extremely knowledgeable because we have to spend all day on the defensive because of people's aversion to libertarianism. Republicans are also realizing that Romney will not be able to win against Obama because he will not get the votes from RP's supporters.
Be optimistic, and don't ever give up! Even if he doesn't win, the fact that he's educated so many dedicated people means that there is a growing coalition of fighters for when things get truly bad, and that is motivation to keep spreading the message of freedom!
Didn't know where else to post this, but Randy Blythe from Lamb of God wants to run for President.
http://randonesia.tumblr.com/post/15251001685/i-want-to-be-the-big-cheese (http://randonesia.tumblr.com/post/15251001685/i-want-to-be-the-big-cheese)
Haha, damn.
I love the Ron Paul got 2nd place in NH!
This is so exciting!
He's still quite far from Romney though, that's the problem.... :-\
Ron probably had his weakest debate tonight. I love the guy but unfortunately I don't think he can win. I'm sure the nominee will be Romney. Its a shame America cant wake up and realize what incredible things Paul could do for our country.
Could there be an all Mormon Republican ballot this fall? That'd be hilarious.
its not even up to the people anyway. the percentage of people that even give a fuck enough to vote in the primaries is nearly negligible. It's mostly paid, brain dead assholes. Just look at how incredibly far the msm has gone to discredit paul and downplay his candidicy. Its a joke, they will literally not even mention his name when discussing the candidates. Hate to say it but Ron Paul won't win and even if he did he would either be killed off, or turn into another piece of shit politician that works for the powers that bank
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 17, 2012, 10:57 PM
its not even up to the people anyway. the percentage of people that even give a fuck enough to vote in the primaries is nearly negligible. It's mostly paid, brain dead assholes. Just look at how incredibly far the msm has gone to discredit paul and downplay his candidicy. Its a joke, they will literally not even mention his name when discussing the candidates. Hate to say it but Ron Paul won't win and even if he did he would either be killed off, or turn into another piece of shit politician that works for the powers that bank
Your exactly right. Still its a shame he's not getting more support. But its really not up to us.
It is up to you to spread the word. Just today a coworker told me she didn't like Ron Paul and I asked why...she said he was weird. O_o
Don't be so fatalistic, you guys. People are a lot more receptive to the message than you may think, and there's plenty of people that are more disinterested than completely brainwashed. Once you tell them about the situation, explain basic economics, and then why RP is the only one who can save us, they get it. He has the perfect record of being principled when it counted, and he predicted everything that we're going through. Don't give up the fight, we know the media isn't on our side, but it's so easy to create new supporters if you just reasonably talk to people and tell them to spread the word. We still have time to edge out Mittens!
Ron Paul - Predictions in Due Time (Original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM#ws)
I came across this today. I've known about his spot-on predictions before, but fuck was he right.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:01 PM
Don't be so fatalistic, you guys. People are a lot more receptive to the message than you may think, and there's plenty of people that are more disinterested than completely brainwashed. Once you tell them about the situation, explain basic economics, and then why RP is the only one who can save us, they get it. He has the perfect record of being principled when it counted, and he predicted everything that we're going through. Don't give up the fight, we know the media isn't on our side, but it's so easy to create new supporters if you just reasonably talk to people and tell them to spread the word. We still have time to edge out Mittens!
That's extremely optimistic of you. I would love to see him get the nomination, but I don't even think HE thinks thats a possibility. I'm pretty sure the whole point of his campaign was just to get his message out.
I'd vote for him if he'd just lighten up on the abortion issue. I don't like abortions, but sometimes they are a necessary evil. This is the only thing that worries me about him. I want the US to move forward, and the possibility of roe v. wade being overturned seems like a huge step backward and scares the shit out of me. You want people to start doing it in back alleys with coat hangers like they used to, and unfortunately still do in some places.
I think abortion is really low on Ron's list of the shit he wants to change.
Apparently he's cool with women getting them as long as it was an "honest rape". You know because most women lie about being brutalized just for attention. What an idiot. This guy's mind is in another galaxy.
Ron Paul is great, he would be really good for America, but his idea of letting Iran have a nuke is well, quite dangerous...
Quote from: jbmp1390 on Feb 07, 2012, 09:27 PM
Apparently he's cool with women getting them as long as it was an "honest rape". You know because most women lie about being brutalized just for attention. What an idiot. This guy's mind is in another galaxy.
I think he's just pandering. In his book "the revolution" he very clearly states he is pro-choice. He changed his stance later when he became a more-serious candidate for president.
I think he just decided to take the attention off an issue that already gets ton of attention and re-direct the media attention around him to issues like the economy or foreign policy; in which he has a unique stance.
Most republicans wouldn't hear two words out of his mouth after he said "pro-choice." But then his views about the FED and pre-immanent war never hit the mainstream.
It's actually a pretty decent compromise if you think about it. Abortion already gets a ton of attention in the media. The guy is an OBGYN doctor, I don't see him changing his mind about abortion after decades of experience.
He definitely has the best stance on abortion besides Walter Block. I'll find a link to it later, but the frrlz libertarian take on abortion is totally awesome imo.
Ughhh, MN, including my precinct, went for Santorum. I proceeded to walk out of the room, nearly vomiting, when they read the results. Fucking Santorum. Nobody knows shit about this guy (he is a total psycho), and I think that's why they voted from him. It would be nice if the generation that can only think about and experience things in sound bites would just die off already.
Yeah it's all about who can be "American" and "Christian" enough in some circles. But of course those words are empty rhetoric and, like you said, it's all just sound-bites. Few people really look into all of this deep enough.
I was amazed today. A co-worker asked for my help with a paper. She HAD to write a paper FOR drug testing on welfare recipients. I don't believe in this, but I put an argument together for her for the sake of debate.
Well, the rest of my office is used to me throwing out some different ideas (they are all pretty white and pretty "republican" in their sense of the word). So I couldn't believe when they started arguing with me for why I wasn't right on my stance FOR what they all believed in. It just seemed pretty apparent that some people have some serious pre-programed responses no matter what is being said.
I said it, so they know they disagree. Obama says it, so some people automatically disagree. The subject is raising taxes, so some people just automatically know they disagree regardless of the individual point. It's really getting old.
I'm sure the "conservatives" in Minnesota have the same reaction to a politician that pretty much said he hates gays, abortion, and everyone who isn't white.
Romney will be the nominee. I hate saying this but I almost hope the economy gets worse and I hope gas hits almost 5 bucks around election time. Its gonna be such a close election. 4 more years of Obama would permanently change the country.
Yes, Romney will get the nominee.
Yeah he's gonna be the nominee but I'm not even slightly afraid of him winning. I don't think he has a serious chance due to his mormonism. What self respecting christian conservative in this country would vote for a mormon? lol. But seriously, I just don't think he'd be able to get most of the conservative vote. I just don't see most religious conservatives voting for a mormon. I think Romney's magic underwear are a little too tight and he is just deluding himself at this point.
I like what I read on prisonplanet that someone else wrote responding to the MSM's opinion that "Ron Paul will never be president"....
"Gandhi was never prime minister of India, yet he was more powerful than 100 prime ministers.
Martin Luther King was never even a Senator, yet he is more alive today than 1,000 senators and 44 presidents.
Nelson Mandela had 100x more transformational power to expand the rights of man in South Africa than he ever will as a sitting president of South Africa.
Go ahead and fix your bullshit elections, the message of liberty is alive and well, your election vote counting fraud will make Dr. Ron Paul more powerful than you ever imagined.
You better pray he is president, it is the only way you will be able to maintain some semblance of credibility when all of your constructs of deceit are coming down.
The constitution and all of the founding documents expose the truth...WE THE PEOPLE are the authority...not any one man, or any 100 men, or any 600 men (all branches of the constitutional government and then some).
Ron Paul, by your own RAND/IBM cybernetic Nazi combinatorics calculations, is the de facto spiritual leader of the united States. This includes all of the democrats, republicans, independents, libertarians, progressives, etc.
The only reason why is because he channels the message of liberty through his discourse. And that is the spirit of America.
So all the sabatauers, globalist psychopaths, and cowardly slaves can od-ed circle jerk till the cows come home...we all know the truth, you are just exposing how scared to death you are that humanity has withstood 6,000 years of oppression and has come out awalkened, alive, and free!"
evidently idolatry has reached new heights.
Nope, that happened when Obama was running for president and after he got elected. Promises of hope and change were the perfect marketing tool. His face plastered everywhere ... comparisons being made to MLK for no reason. People going GaGa for this non-president. Different face, same coin.
Its time for someone who actually wants to make this country better.
Quote from: one weak on Feb 11, 2012, 06:38 PM
evidently idolatry has reached new heights.
Agreed.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Feb 12, 2012, 02:52 AM
People going GaGa for this non-president. Different face, same coin.
Its time for someone who actually wants to make this country better.
I know where you're coming from, but it's still a little harsh.
How about we get a fucking Congress that wants to make this country better.
People elect the Congress, that's the problem. We're all getting the type of government we've asked for, either directly, or through inactivity. The people have declared time and time again through voting or abstaining from voting that they want cradle-to-grave welfare and a global police force... and don't really want to pay for it. Look, we NEED spending cuts and Congress can't even do that, and it sure isn't because they're all the polar opposite of the President. There's only a handful of Congressmen and Senators who have the nuts to say that the party is over, that it's time to get back to work and that we can't afford to support the most politically connected people anymore.
On that note, it's pretty hard to defend Obama (or any president in my memory). I can't think of one example where he's actually leveled with the American people about what our situation is, and can bring up a zillion where he's done the exact opposite. Not to mention that I can't think of a single policy change he's made that has done anything to help this situation. I mean I'm not all about the personal attacks, I have nothing to prove that he's an asshole or malevolent, but when you look at the policies, they're all exactly what you don't want to do to get an economy on track. I couldn't have made a better plan for destroying capital if you gave me a year and a year's supply of LSD. So I don't get into the "Obama's a terrible person, blah blah blah" arguments because I think they distract from the real issues, but on the real issues, he's entirely indefensible.
I really wouldn't go quite as far as Jerry about praising Ron Paul, but you all will realize one day that he did save the country. Even if he doesn't win the election, so many more people now know the truth about liberty and tyranny and are intensely motivated to spread and defend that message. If it isn't him, it's going to be these people that rebuild once our currency is destroyed and the politicians on either side can't buy more votes and power with it. He represents the truth, and when you see public's misinformed aversion to him, I think it really shows why people are too fucking out to lunch to even elect a congressman.
Quote from: Variable on Feb 09, 2012, 02:59 AM
Yeah it's all about who can be "American" and "Christian" enough in some circles. But of course those words are empty rhetoric and, like you said, it's all just sound-bites. Few people really look into all of this deep enough.
I was amazed today. A co-worker asked for my help with a paper. She HAD to write a paper FOR drug testing on welfare recipients. I don't believe in this, but I put an argument together for her for the sake of debate.
Well, the rest of my office is used to me throwing out some different ideas (they are all pretty white and pretty "republican" in their sense of the word). So I couldn't believe when they started arguing with me for why I wasn't right on my stance FOR what they all believed in. It just seemed pretty apparent that some people have some serious pre-programed responses no matter what is being said.
I said it, so they know they disagree. Obama says it, so some people automatically disagree. The subject is raising taxes, so some people just automatically know they disagree regardless of the individual point. It's really getting old.
I'm sure the "conservatives" in Minnesota have the same reaction to a politician that pretty much said he hates gays, abortion, and everyone who isn't white.
Yeah, I had the same experience at work. They were mostly right-wingers, but not really the evangelical types. I got pretty much all of them to like Ron Paul, but it's still so weird to try to discuss issues with people who are only familiar with the mainstream narrative of everything. It's definitely one of the most insurmountable cognitive dissonances out there; they just don't even know what to think if it's not within the political spectrum whose extremes are defined by Big-Government "Conservatism" (Santorum) and Big-Government "Liberalism" (Hilary Clinton). And the whole "I need to pick a team to be on and I can't blaspheme against one of their talking points or major people" is fucking so beyond stupid. Like really?? Is this really like your fucking college football rivalry or something?? Grow the mother-fuck up.
Another thing that really gets me is that if you're actually talking about what conservatism should mean (conserving the Classical Liberal tradition) or Classical Liberalism itself, neither involves Big-Government at all, so the debate has just been all fucked up by the sheeple-milkers.
KONY PAUL 2012