time to stop cluttering up the interviews thread. discuss your view of sergio here instead. do you consider him a full deftones member, a permanent stand in or otherwise.
My bad. Don't like him in the band. Seems like a cool guy, but I just don't like the direction the band are going in with his presence in the band? Could we have a poll on this?
Reality is that Chi's return to deftones is un-certain, so would should the band to call it quits, hell no. That being said, sergio is doing his best to fill some big shoes, and so far I think he's doing great. Diamond Eyes is great, and he obviously brought some positive energy to the band in a tough time. People need to lay off sergio, and take it for what it is.
though the new direction they took with DE was iffy (don't get me wrong, i love the album), i don't think sergio is really to blame. it seems like it came from the changed outlook of the whole band after chi's accident and all the other shit they've been through. i certainly miss chi but there's nothing we can do. if he ever gets better he won't be coming back. i really wouldn't rather have anyone but sergio standing on stage with them at this point. i hope they get a little heavier on the next record though.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Sep 07, 2011, 10:14 PM
i hope they get a little heavier on the next record though.
Dirtier too, I miss that fucking dirt! Listening to Kimdracula the other day almost made me cry I wanted Chi back so badly
Sergio is cool but for me he is the 7th member of the deftones (6th member is Terry Date isn't it? :D)
which mean is, he deserve to be a full-time member. So when Chi (hopefully) get back on stage, we have 2 bass player!
That would only work for Needles and Pins really...
I consider him somebody who stepped in in order to help their good friends, and a big reason we are getting new deftones music.
Well I like Sergio. I think he plays different when compared to chi, but he still talented and hes made the band tighter i think. Im sure he a permenant member i dont think chi's coming back even if he gets to full health.
its like Deftones 2.0 when sergion kick in
he has been involved in the making of the d.e album and has been touring that record, fine. but for example,take an interview with him:
he can only comment on the d.e album and the tour of it. but the other six records, and the other like 22 years of deftones existence, he can't say shit. fully fledged band member in the same way as chi? god no.ok as a stand-in, if the alternative is no deftones at all, but be fine with calling yourself a stand in, and nothing else. when he has been invloved in the making of six records, and been out touring with Deftones for 20 years like chi, then I can start playing with the idea to see him as a fully fledged member
in my opinion he is doing a great job. D.E. is a really good record and I really enjoyed their last tour. Chi will never get back on stage, so yeah, he is a full member
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 08, 2011, 11:02 AM
he has been involved in the making of the d.e album and has been touring that record, fine. but for example,take an interview with him:
he can only comment on the d.e album and the tour of it. but the other six records, and the other like 22 years of deftones existence, he can't say shit. fully fledged band member in the same way as chi? god no.ok as a stand-in, if the alternative is no deftones at all, but be fine with calling yourself a stand in, and nothing else. when he has been invloved in the making of six records, and been out touring with Deftones for 20 years like chi, then I can start playing with the idea to see him as a fully fledged member
a bit dramatic, are we?
face the facts, he's a member of the band. it happens, few bands keep the exact same line-up through their entire careers. that doesn't mean every new member is only a stand-in for the founding member(s). the fact that he wrote and recorded DE with them means, in my book, that he's currently a member of the band. what happens in the future remains to be seen. that he's a full member of the band doesn't take anything away from all those years when Chi was a member of the band.
but do I like him being a member of the band? well, I can't complain and I can't imagine they would've found any better replacement for Chi. it's a hard to tell how big a role he played in the writing of DE, and I honestly don't care. if he's a big reason the album sounds the way it does, then I'm happy he was part of it, but it doesn't change the tragedy in the situation. in the end, I'm simply thankful they carried on, made an awesome record and doing great live shows after what happened. if Chi would return I'd welcome him back. if he doesn't return, I'm glad we have Sergio.
come to think of it, i will never see sergio as a 100% deftones member, i'm way too conservative when it comes to these things and want it all to be the same way as always.when i got into deftones,there were steph,chino,abe and chi. in all interviews, in all pictures - just them. + that the first two shows i saw live, it was just those 4 guys on stage so that's deftones to me. when frank later appeared as a ,by them, full member of the band i just couldn't accept it 100%. til this day, if i see an interview with frank or serg, i just think "i'm gonna see this briefly and then check out some real interviews with the real band to get som real answers, not just hearing their friends,hang arounds,and help outs talk. what do they know". can't help it.
frank's a cool dude though, totally fits the band, but still..
chi's been creating basslines for about 20 years - leaving: (with eros) 6 records, that's about 66 songs (counting 11 on each one )
and then the linus stuff - about 20 songs and some unreleased stuff,for convenience, let's say 20 more. that's more than 100 songs he helped wrting through out the years .and then touring and touring and touring.for about, yes - 20 years
serg's been in the band little more than a year,creating basslines for 11 songs. and - most of the songs he plays live- is chi's stuff.
comparing the two - do i see him as fully fledged member as chi? can i speak about them as they were on the same level? using the same title on them? fuck no. there's a big difference and the difference should be known in the titles. fully fledged bassplayer and the stand in.
dude 1) 20 years, 100 songs
dude 2) 1 year, 10 songs
c'mon guys.. it's almost disrespectful to chi to speak about them in the same way
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 08, 2011, 01:50 PM
chi's been creating basslines for about 20 years - leaving: (with eros) 6 records, that's about 66 songs (counting 11 on each one )
and then the linus stuff - about 20 songs and some unreleased stuff,for convenience, let's say 20 more. that's more than 100 songs he helped wrting through out the years .and then touring and touring and touring.for about, yes - 20 years
serg's been in the band little more than a year,creating basslines for 11 songs. and - most of the songs he plays live- is chi's stuff.
comparing the two - do i see him as fully fledged member as chi? can i speak about them as they were on the same level? using the same title on them? fuck no. there's a big difference and the difference should be known in the titles. fully fledged bassplayer and the stand in.
dude 1) 20 years, 100 songs
dude 2) 1 year, 10 songs
c'mon guys.. it's almost disrespectful to chi to speak about them in the same way
WTF is this shit?
haha I guess that was a very confused way of saying that i think a person have to work hard in the studio, hard on the road, a lot of years - to earn the title "bassplayer in deftones". can't go in and grab the title just like that : )
I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.
Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM
Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
orly. I think I've heard him talk about chi 1,2 times if he has too in a question, otherwise it's mostly him talking about how cool and fun it is to play in the deftones. for me, it feels wrong to see him sit in interviews with a "damn this is awesome!" face when he's there because chi is hurt. haven't seen those several respect for chi interviews
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM
I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.
Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before
Very well said.
it's just that it's a fairy tale / "wouldn't it be nice if it were like this"-story. reality check please?
again, the thing about that sergio shows so much respect for chi... I haven't scanned the internet for all sergios interviews, only seen the ones people have posted here for a year,maybe maggit base that on things i haven't seen or read.... but in those i've seen here i always find myself thinking he puts too much focus on talking about how rad the whole thing is,how cool it is to go on tour and play, the creativity and positive vibe in the band etc. how's that respectful to chi? how can everything be so positive if one beloved person is down? I reacted to the fact that in a lot of interviews in the beginning he yapped away about other good things about being in the band when i think he should have taken the time to talk more about chi and why he's there in the first place, how unfortunate the thing with chi is, instead of just showing joy. that's irritating as fuck. he just seemed to see everything as an opportunity. respect for chi?
in an interview in the beginning when sergio was talking about bass in a bass only interview, not a shit about chi. take the recent interview from finland as just an example , he became bitter when the interviewer asked about his own views on a stand in or a permanent member, and when he talked about the first meeting with deftones after the accident he right away began to talk about that everyone had a glow in their eyes and started talking about the awesome creativity - like there was no sandess what so ever in the situation.didn't speak one thing about the accident and the hard time that obviously was in the band. how's that respectful?
You're one of my favourite members on here but sorry man, I really think you're blowing this way out of proportion.
Being disrespectful to Chi is 100% the last thing Sergio is doing. Quicksand never had the "fame" that Deftones are currently having and we just gotta accept that Sergio is having the time of his life atm and if he comes across as being disrespectful in interviews, it's not on purpose. He's just happy as fuck being a part of this band. I want Chi to come back and start playing with the band again as much as the next person but we gotta be realistic here and realise that could be a long wait.
Now, if Diamond Eyes never existed and Chi wasn't in that awful accident, would Deftones be as popular as they are now? It's debatable and one I don't feel comfortable being involved in.
wow,thanks, didn't see that one coming. about serg, it's not what he says what bugs me,he's not being a total douche bag saying disrespectful things...and probably doesn't mean to just acting selfish, but it's about what he doesn't say. and - how thrilled he acts in a non thrilled situation. to act like that in the first interviews after chi's accident totally rubbed me in the wrong way. i mean i think it's common courtesy in a state like that to,if you're gonna say it's great to be in deftones,say that it absolutley sucks that it has to happen under these circumstances or something.and not just once. people was in state of mourning,you just can't go full retard with the happy thrilled face and talk about your happy feelings, it's not about you, it's about chi in the first place.
maybe he was so happy about being in the band that he forgot about those things (and keeps forgetting) but when people here says that he actually shows this respect everywhere, when he's actually too caught up in being thrilled from what i've seen,that's too much. because i haven't seen those interviews.they should be plenty but they're not from what i know
From a fan point of view, Sergio is great. Totally different to Chi in many ways but fits into Deftones like peas to carrots.
From a band point of view, they had to do what they thought at the time. Tough decision 100% but there were only two options - quit or carry on. I'd like to think that it's what Chi would want.
Even if Chi left and wasn't in a really unfortunate and sad situation, would we have the same thoughts about Sergio?
Sergio's doing a good job, and I don't see him being disrespectful to Chi at all. What? You want him to look like he starts to cry every single time he's in an interview? Or the other members for that matter? First of all, what they feel is private, and they have no obligation to share that with anyone whatsoever. That being said, they shared it enough, there were pretty emotional interviews where they talked about Chi.
But life goes on my friend, no matter how hard that sounds. No one can stay depressed for years. If anything, we should be glad for the guys at Deftones that they feel so energised and that they can use music to feel better - that's the power of music, why deny it? That being said, I'm sure they all still feel very bad for what happened to Chi and they will continue to do so until the day they die. Even Sergio. But they won't help anyone - including themselves or Chi - by being down all the time.
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM
I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.
Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before
respect dude !
Quote from: Moz on Sep 09, 2011, 07:41 PM
Sergio's doing a good job, and I don't see him being disrespectful to Chi at all. What? You want him to look like he starts to cry every single time he's in an interview? Or the other members for that matter? First of all, what they feel is private, and they have no obligation to share that with anyone whatsoever. That being said, they shared it enough, there were pretty emotional interviews where they talked about Chi.
But life goes on my friend, no matter how hard that sounds. No one can stay depressed for years. If anything, we should be glad for the guys at Deftones that they feel so energised and that they can use music to feel better - that's the power of music, why deny it? That being said, I'm sure they all still feel very bad for what happened to Chi and they will continue to do so until the day they die. Even Sergio. But they won't help anyone - including themselves or Chi - by being down all the time.
this is about sergio, not chino,steph,abe,frank. i haven't said anything about them, it's the "sergio opinion thread" for crying out loud :)
i've be critical towards sergio and came up with a couple of examples of what he could have done in the beginning of the tragedy,and things he shouldn't have done imo (talking about how great everything is non stop). you claim that he acted great,but instead of giving examples of that (they're should be several not 1 or 2) you use the other guys in the band for it and how they acted, not anything about sergio. what does that say? anyway, this is turning into a hen from a feather, it's not that i think sergio is satan himself, just that i found his reactions irritating, could've been better
Thanks Longstem
And Moz, very well said!
We don't know what goes on behind closed doors but it would be very false of Sergio to always look depressed or start crying during interviews and THAT would be disrespectful!
Remember that Diamond Eyes was released and these interviews took place well over a year after Chi's accident.
I know that Sergio would get Chi's approval (he did in '99) and that's reason alone for him to get my approval.
let's say 5 people you like were set to go for a road trip from ny to l.a. you would kill to come along but you weren't asked. they had been planning this for a time and were stoked to go. but the day before, one of them got injured bad and got hospitalized. they asked if you could come to fil that empty seat. when entering that car, would you jump up and down in thew seat and scream "fuck yeah!! road trip!!" although they were downhearted because of what happened?
or would you say kinda low,and out of respect "damn.. how sad about that guy" i'm glad i can go and all, but fuck.. not like this"
when you and that crew later arrived to l.a meeting a bunch of friends to that crew who knew the person in the hospital, would the first thing you would say be: "what's up guys! i say DAMN!! that road trip was awesome! i'm so glad i could come insted of that hospitalized dude! what a great opportunity for ME,no??"
[spoiler]wtf is this shit?[/spoiler]
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 04:47 PM
[spoiler]wtf is this shit?[/spoiler]
Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.
oh yeah, don't come at me with the "sergio never said he was glad chi is away" plz,sometimes facial expressions and the way you speak about things
say more than words. eyes big like plates full of entusiasm says it all ^ "too soon!" is what i say
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.
and their opinios aren't gonna change mine. are you gonna tell them to let it go too? remember this is an opinion thread
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 05:11 PM
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.
and their opinios aren't gonna change mine. are you gonna tell them to let it go too? remember this is an opinion thread
Then don't let it bro. Opinions doesn't mean you have to make flawed points and turn this whole thing into a who's right who's wrong debate.
ye, ye i don't know who made you the ref in this little debate. what do you mean crazy? i'm perfectly fine with you calling me whatever you want, but i'm just curious - do you mean "slightly too much" or "people r fake"-crazy, wiccan style?
Nah man you ain't wiccan crazy. Not many people are. But the whole Sergio on a road trip thing you said was a little too much. I understand you simplified the situation but I just dont think he's the only one who's hyped about everything. The band where down as fuck, but feeling creative so then they picked up Sergio. You make it seem as if they were just about ready to go on a massive world tour with Chi (which of course would have done if Eros had been released ) then his injury happened the day before I they were set to go. As much as I don't like Sergio's presence in the band, there is no denying his impact has lead to a "brighter" sound in the music. No dirt.
right, but i didn't mean it was sergio in the car, i tried to explain that we wouldn't accept that kind of behaviour in any other group of people in another situation, but when a similiar situation occur in our favourite band like this, people get blind by fanism, can't be critic for one second and their core values gets thrown out the window. this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion
Well what else is there to talk about? His c00l ass clothes? XD
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
oh yeah, don't come at me with the "sergio never said he was glad chi is away" plz,sometimes facial expressions and the way you speak about things
say more than words. eyes big like plates full of entusiasm says it all ^ "too soon!" is what i say
LOL "You said it with your eyes!"
wait,you're saying people don't communicate with facial expressions? what about that thing about eyes being mirrors of ones soul? i think i must be blessed or something because i can actually see if a person is happy or sad without that person saying it. i can even see if a dog is happy, and they can't even speak! amazing.
so.. anyone else like cain with the disorder autism?
(Autism: "difficulties with reciprocal social interaction is often the most conspicuous in autism. From a very young age, the person may have difficulty using and understanding eyes, facial expressions, gestures, different intonations and the like in contact with others")
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 07:28 PM
Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion
Well what else is there to talk about? His c00l ass clothes? XD
yes cool clothes, but his t-shirt with the text "one man's sorrow is another mans joy" was a little too much for me though
link?
dude..
I like Sergio and think he is a good replacement/stand in/whatever you want to call him. When friends were in need he stepped up to the plate to help them out when they needed it. Sure there is automatically going to be a comparison between Sergio and Chi, but lets be happy we still have the Deftones around. I wish Chi the best of luck in his recovery and hope some day he will make a return to the stage. I just dont see that happening anytime soon.
Quote from: Vesanic on Sep 11, 2011, 10:48 PM...
yes, we turned up the heat a little when you were away.. it's like the old saying "when the cat's away, the rats dance on the table".
but now when you're back, everything will go back to normal, welcome back
Quote from: ignore the fashion on Sep 12, 2011, 10:48 AMlets be happy we still have the Deftones around
looking at the big picture- i'm glad we have a stand in bassplayer. if sergio hadn't join - no awesome tracks like royal (sergio said he wrote the main riff, something chino didn't agree on though) prince, risk, ystb. i'm just debating the detalis on his persona
If I didn't know any better, by reading this thread I would have thought Sergio killed Chi or something.
IMO, Diamond Eyes is one of their best albums and not only is Serg mad cool but he is the reason the Deftones are alive and touring...how can that be a bad thing?!!!
I think he's waaaaaaay too camp. Has had an influence on chino too imo, no way would he have wore pink shirts before unless he had sergio's camp ass next to him, making him feel ok about it....
Quote from: rufas on Sep 12, 2011, 06:18 PM
I think he's waaaaaaay too camp. Has had an influence on chino too imo, no way would he have wore pink shirts before unless he had sergio's camp ass next to him, making him feel ok about it....
speak english bro
Quote from: rufas on Sep 12, 2011, 06:18 PM
I think he's waaaaaaay too camp. Has had an influence on chino too imo, no way would he have wore pink shirts before unless he had sergio's camp ass next to him, making him feel ok about it....
Yeah man, that's not really valid. So what if he wears pink?
If it wasn't for Sergio, Deftones would be over. You all realize that, right?
Quote from: Inkblades on Sep 13, 2011, 02:05 AM
If it wasn't for Sergio, Deftones would be over. You all realize that, right?
Sergio is great. Hes a fantastic musician and a really nice guy. He really helped out the band during a hard time. Im grateful we have him.
I also think that Deftones handle the Sergio replacement quiet good.
you cant imagine how sensitive this is towards a fanbase and towards Deftones as a product in a difficult music industry.
In the beginning Sergio almost didnt appear in interview, later on he was present but didnt answer question...little by little he became more involved.
Their management knew that the whole situation (and a bad image) could harm the band and of course the sales of a new album.
Deftones payed their tribute to Chi more than we, the fans, will ever be able to realise. The best thing was to continue, to move forward with the truly one and only guy who could replace Chi.
And guys, lets face it : Chi will always be part of Deftones, always, but not as the bass player anymore unfortunately.
To my previous reply in this topic: if anyone affliated with deftones or the members of deftones consider this disrespectful I would understand. Feel free to remove my comments.
Because , besides Chi and the peolple really involved : who are we to judge ? Who are e to criticize their choices?
Quote from: E-Money on Sep 13, 2011, 02:14 AM
Sergio is great. Hes a good musician and a really nice guy. He really helped out the band during a hard time. Im grateful we have him.
Fixed it. Now it's the only valid answer.
Quote from: Vesanic on Sep 13, 2011, 10:37 AM...
Someone else that you also hate?
You guys with the hypothetical musings lately. Yeah, it could have been someone else. Guess what, though? It's not someone else. It's Sergio.
Quote from: Inkblades on Sep 13, 2011, 04:21 PMQuote from: Vesanic on Sep 13, 2011, 10:37 AM...
Someone else that you also hate?
Someone who can scream like Chi and play with his fingers, yes.
You're never going to find someone exactly like Chi Cheng again. Know why? There's only one Chi.
Quote from: Inkblades on Sep 13, 2011, 04:28 PM
You're never going to find someone exactly like Chi Cheng again. Know why? There's only one Chi.
No shit man. But seriously, Sergio is like the complete opposite of Chi in my
opinion.
Thanks for underlining the word opinion for me. I had no clue that was the case until you pointed it out for me.
See, V, there's your two cents. Wasn't so difficult, was it?
Quote from: Inkblades on Sep 13, 2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks for underlining the word opinion for me. I had no clue that was the case until you pointed it out for me.
No one likes a smart ass bro. I underlined it to remind you people can hate him if they like. I don't, just don't like him
Quote from: Vesanic on Sep 13, 2011, 05:03 PM...
Oh, you were joking? Pardon me. Hard to tell sometimes on teh intrawebs.
And, yes, you are both fully allowed to have opinions. The more the merrier. Now, please, for the love of everything sacred, stop continually bringing it up.
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqya479ERc1r11n4do1_500.jpg)
;D
Maybe you guys would have liked this Sergio better?
(http://www.fondosdibujosanimados.com.es/images/wallpapers/sergio-vega-41030.jpeg)
That guy got shot in the face while driving his car man :-\
Oh, shit, you're right. Never mind then.
Let me try that again. Maybe you would have liked this guy better?
(http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/screenshots/episodes/8f21/8f21_015.jpg)
That guy got bombed while driving :-\
(http://lahaiseslair.com/corinar/files/2010/10/School-bus-crash.jpg)
This thread is fucking unbelievable!
Is it accepted fact that everyone wishes Chi hadn't been involved in the accident ? Of course!
Does everyone wish he was still active in Deftones ? Of course!
But (however tragic and heartbreaking) he was and he isn't.
Would Deftones be around now if they didn't have a friend who would be willing to step in (again!) to help them out ? Maybe not ?!?
So instead of making negative, personal comments about Sergio, maybe everyone should just be saying "Thanks for stepping up in tragic circumstances dude!"
Should Sergio be referencing Chi in every interview he does ? No. He obviously knows he is in the band because of very tragic circumstances. Should he not be able to enjoy his current experience(s) because of that ? Fucking grow up!
And before anyone questions me about Chi, I have had the pleasure of meeting him on several occasions over the last decade or so and he is a wonderful, warm, friendly and very decent guy who I 100% wish wasn't involved in that terrible accident nearly 3 years ago. And don't forget he is their "brother".
EDIT. I have re-read that and debated about just removing so as not to get into the debate. But then I remembered something Jack Kerouac said. "First thought, best thought". So fuck it.
@defsteve
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I can't imagine if Fieldy replacing Chi's position.. I prefer Sergio.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 13, 2011, 03:37 PMQuote from: Vesanic on Sep 13, 2011, 10:37 AM...
yeah deftones are very respected in the music world - the're many who play bass out there and who would be ready to drop everything to play with the deftones, it had only been a matter of personality which would suit the other band members (camp personality?). And no matter who it would be - some would never be content with that new person because that person ain't chi, while the majority would go nuts with praise over him because that person in question becomes a part of the deftones "hey ''m a deftones fan, therefore I like all members regardless of flaws"
i'm a little amazed that everything is so black/white here, either you like everything with sergio or you're against him. personally i think vesanic has the most level-headed approach to the whole thing "I'm happy with a stand-in instead of them quitting cmpletely,but of course there are shortcomings". i also prefer sergio over noone at all but he's not perfect by far. surprisingly few have pro's and con's opinions here, me included at times. that being said - crazy breed is as usual completely way off when he says that Sergio can't have any weaknesses at all because the band continues with his help as a stand in.
However, it's not really sergios choice to join that makes deftones as band to continue, deftones continue because they've made ��a choice to continue - if sergio had turned down the offer,someone else would've jump in and be sure everyone would worship that person no matter what, regardless of skills, personality in media,stage charisma etc
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 14, 2011, 09:23 PM
I can't imagine if Fieldy replacing Chi's position.. I prefer Sergio.
Feildy would make their music clicky as fuck. Now Sam Rivers is another story...
Quote from: Inkblades on Sep 13, 2011, 05:43 PM
Let me try that again. Maybe you would have liked this guy better?
(http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/screenshots/episodes/8f21/8f21_015.jpg)
replace sergio with sergio? can't see the point
Lots of bands' members leave and they get replaced and whatever, and in this case it isnt that Chi's left, but obviously they needed someone to fill in, and because of the fact that he's been involved in writing music with the band, and they're close, I'd consider him to be a member of Deftones. Frank hasnt always been in Deftones either, but he is now, so that's that. I can understand ppl being reluctant to accept Sergio as a Deftones member, but would you rather they stop the band until Chi can return (which isnt 100% certain to happen)? Or would you rather Sergio be in the band but always be seen as an outcast, therefore creating some kinda tension within the band, or the fans' perception of the band?
Also, I think Sergio seems like a kwl guy, good addition, fits in well. Not perfectly, but they've been around for over 20 yrs, so you cant expect the "new guy" to feel like a full member straight away. Also, I think his vocals and his energy on stage has definitely improved over the time he's been with them. I guess he's just grown more comfortable over time.
And I noticed some ppl saying that his style doesnt fit in with Deftones, but...do Deftones really have such a specific style? Their albums have all had different styles, always gone in different directions. He's a different bassist to Chi, so yeah, he brings something different to the table, and I get ppl not really liking that, but what more can be expected, you know?
I think sergio makes a good fit into the band. He's not as funny as Chi but keeps the mood cool and more importantly, he's mature as well. His presence has influenced deftones positively and definitely stepped up their work ethic, probably because of a new member joining temporarily and trying to make a good first impression in the studio. Of course, Chi's accident can attribute to this and the producer of Diamond Eyes.
Im not really intrigued by his playing style but at least the band is still together and not close to its demise.