I remember when Deftones used to post cellphone pics from the studios before SNW and there were some creepy images like this...
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_4a430bbc51c1498483fe84d3148d1011.jpg)
Somewhere in passing I heard someone talking about secret cults and they mentioned how The Illuminati worships this Owl God
(http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/occult/cremation_of_care-s.jpg)
I was wondering if there's some overall occult theme to the music that's under the surface. I'm not saying that there is some Divinci Code or anything. But I definitely think there's an influence or meta theme that's pretty eerie.
Any thoughts?
Here's some spooky lyrics as an example:
DIAMOND EYES
When the coffin shakes
And the needle breaks
Come run away with me
Come on you'll see
Once and for all
PINK MAGGOT
I'll stick you a little
Enough
To take your oxygen away
Set you on fire
'cause I'm on fire
And I'm with you,
Alone,
DEATHBLOW
Soon as you came in, all the beast went away
They noticed that you're warm, wait till you leave then come back for more...
The ropes hang to keep us all awake and I should have known
RIVIERE
She haunts the roads, she waits for a new face
The arms red and injured she wants to rise she cant till we have faced
I'll cut your armies down, and turn your heart!!!
KIMDRACULA
The earth
Will see
Our lives go blank tonight
The earth will rot away
Well blink tonight
I really wish these snakes were your arm
I... I really wish you'd make up your mind
THIS PLACE IS DEATH
You arrived in my dream
Beside me every night
You were me, we explode to the sea
We try to drink the knife empty
I disagree. In my personal view those are just literary techniques. It's not like Deftones are an occult-metal band or something. A couple of lines do not create a theme, sorry, dude, but imo you're digging too deep.
Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 11, 2011, 06:23 PM
I disagree. In my personal view those are just literary techniques. It's not like Deftones are an occult-metal band or something. A couple of lines do not create a theme, sorry, dude, but imo you're digging too deep.
I'll repeat myself, I'm not saying that there is some Divinci Code or anything. But I definitely think there's an influence or meta theme that's pretty eerie.
Just because you listen to an interview where Chino says "my lyrics don't mean anything" doesn't mean people can't interpret the art.
Quote from: bloody_liver on Jan 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
I remember when Deftones used to post cellphone pics from the studios before SNW and there were some creepy images like this...
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_4a430bbc51c1498483fe84d3148d1011.jpg)
Somewhere in passing I heard someone talking about secret cults and they mentioned how The Illuminati worships this Owl God
(http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/occult/cremation_of_care-s.jpg)
I was wondering if there's some overall occult theme to the music that's under the surface. I'm not saying that there is some Divinci Code or anything. But I definitely think there's an influence or meta theme that's pretty eerie.
Any thoughts?
The Owl "god" is Moloch....he is a demon (the eater of children) and that statue is from bohemian grove where the world elite meet once a year and talk about how they will fuck us all.
I have seen some symbols and shit here and there with the Deftones but I don't believe they are into the occult at all...at least not Steph...he seems to be into weed & music, like me. :)
Quote from: bloody_liver on Jan 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_4a430bbc51c1498483fe84d3148d1011.jpg)
any chane you have this bigger? this has always been one of my favorite bits of art from their albums.
but that one is not the original I think, the original was the cover for one of Team Sleep's demo :)
It was the image that showed in their Myspace player when you played beware.
Brb getting my tinfoil hat
I definitely think that Chino and Steph are interested in occult studies. I remember one interview with Steph where he was talking about seeing UFO aircraft on high quality photos of the moon from NASA's website. I'm pretty sure there are occult topics that they are very interested in but I don't think it quite permeates the general concept of their music to a very high degree.
I'm pretty much in agreeance with Hesperian Death-Horse. Chino writes lyrics in such a creative and vague way that I think everyone interpets songs differently.
I think there's a bit in there for sure, mostly Chino i'd imagine.
It's some kind of subliminal subtext. There's so many themes going on all the time, most mysterious, but the occult is definitely there on some level, imo especially from S/T on.
Royal reminds me of fucking aliens, which could be considered occult depending on how you look at at, like that ancient aliens theory that gods are aliens and vice versa. And "Diamond Eyes", with the fuckin owls?
I think there's definitely something going on there, i don't care what Chino said in interviews. Not like he's going to come out and say, "yeah the concept of alot of the albums is aliens and higher life forms and our return to a primitive and enlightened state of oneness with the universe" or whatever the hell it is. He'd rather let people draw their own conclusions. I could care less, i hope to never know for sure cuz i'd prolly be dissapointed. I think he knows this by now about listeners since he's one himself.
It's like if Damone's your favorite song and you have an idea what it's about for you and it's really meaningful and then you see an interview where he says it's about Rumplestiltskin.
i think they try to involve somewhat of a mystical factor in some of their artwork and stuff, but not so much the lyrics.
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Jan 12, 2011, 09:55 AM
I think there's a bit in there for sure, mostly Chino i'd imagine.
It's some kind of subliminal subtext. There's so many themes going on all the time, most mysterious, but the occult is definitely there on some level, imo especially from S/T on.
Royal reminds me of fucking aliens, which could be considered occult depending on how you look at at, like that ancient aliens theory that gods are aliens and vice versa. And "Diamond Eyes", with the fuckin owls?
I think there's definitely something going on there, i don't care what Chino said in interviews. Not like he's going to come out and say, "yeah the concept of alot of the albums is aliens and higher life forms and our return to a primitive and enlightened state of oneness with the universe" or whatever the hell it is. He'd rather let people draw their own conclusions. I could care less, i hope to never know for sure cuz i'd prolly be dissapointed. I think he knows this by now about listeners since he's one himself.
It's like if Damone's your favorite song and you have an idea what it's about for you and it's really meaningful and then you see an interview where he says it's about Rumplestiltskin.
I'm glad to see someone else also interepted Royal being about aliens lol.
it's kind of hard to miss.
IMO he def is, although maybe he's using it as a metaphor, who knows.
word for word it's hard to deny, and i usually don't try to read too much into shit
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Jan 14, 2011, 07:08 AM
it's kind of hard to miss.
IMO he def is, although maybe he's using it as a metaphor, who knows.
word for word it's hard to deny, and i usually don't try to read too much into shit
I totally agree. I've said it a few times and people looked at me like I was on crack.
Yes, I also feel that "Royal" at least ostensibly has an extra-terrestrial contact theme in the lyrics. I also think that Chino is very inspired by the whole Twin Peaks franchise where things like Occultism/Spirituality and extra-terrestrial contact are sort of conflated into one big mess of questions and symbols. Plus there is the white horse symbol used a few times in the film and series. I think that symbol partially inspired the titling of White Pony, not to mention them opening the shows in that era with one of the Twin Peaks themes. Combine that with the whole "The owls are not what they seem" theme from Twin Peaks and its potential correlation with the Diamond Eyes artwork. I know that's just drawing parallels between Deftones and Twin Peaks itself but I think there is a general interest amongst at least some of the band members and all the esoteric studies that are utilized throughout the film and series.
There could be some word play used, unintentionally, to hint at occult themes. The lyrical samples bloody liver posted are good examples.
I think those images actually fit SNW as a whole. There is a very unsettling feeling in that album, just like these images portray. Those images have that vintage vibe with a very evil overtone, even though they are both in nature. I just don't think the whole occult theme fits.
I was thinking the exact same thing! Their symbols for Diamond Eyes are very... different. Plus, Chino has a new tattoo of a Baphomet... maybe they're just interested in the art and history of the Occult, who knows.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on Jan 14, 2011, 09:46 AM
Yes, I also feel that "Royal" at least ostensibly has an extra-terrestrial contact theme in the lyrics. I also think that Chino is very inspired by the whole Twin Peaks franchise where things like Occultism/Spirituality and extra-terrestrial contact are sort of conflated into one big mess of questions and symbols. Plus there is the white horse symbol used a few times in the film and series. I think that symbol partially inspired the titling of White Pony, not to mention them opening the shows in that era with one of the Twin Peaks themes. Combine that with the whole "The owls are not what they seem" theme from Twin Peaks and its potential correlation with the Diamond Eyes artwork. I know that's just drawing parallels between Deftones and Twin Peaks itself but I think there is a general interest amongst at least some of the band members and all the esoteric studies that are utilized throughout the film and series.
An interesting thing about David Lynch is that he's so well respected for making abstract films while never explaining them. I get this sense that Chino is like the David Lynch of heavy metal.
The beauty of it is that like David Lynch movies, Deftones songs have this level where you feel like it's all just a dream, and then another where you feel like it's some dark reality, and then another one where it's just a descriptive way to associate abstract forms with everyday emotions like anger, lust, and so on.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on Jan 14, 2011, 09:46 AM
Yes, I also feel that "Royal" at least ostensibly has an extra-terrestrial contact theme in the lyrics. I also think that Chino is very inspired by the whole Twin Peaks franchise where things like Occultism/Spirituality and extra-terrestrial contact are sort of conflated into one big mess of questions and symbols. Plus there is the white horse symbol used a few times in the film and series. I think that symbol partially inspired the titling of White Pony, not to mention them opening the shows in that era with one of the Twin Peaks themes. Combine that with the whole "The owls are not what they seem" theme from Twin Peaks and its potential correlation with the Diamond Eyes artwork. I know that's just drawing parallels between Deftones and Twin Peaks itself but I think there is a general interest amongst at least some of the band members and all the esoteric studies that are utilized throughout the film and series.
interesting.
Quote from: bloody_liver on Jan 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
I remember when Deftones used to post cellphone pics from the studios before SNW and there were some creepy images like this...
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_4a430bbc51c1498483fe84d3148d1011.jpg)
Somewhere in passing I heard someone talking about secret cults and they mentioned how The Illuminati worships this Owl God
(http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/occult/cremation_of_care-s.jpg)
I was wondering if there's some overall occult theme to the music that's under the surface. I'm not saying that there is some Divinci Code or anything. But I definitely think there's an influence or meta theme that's pretty eerie.
Any thoughts?
Well that first image that I guess came from their myspace page, was so interesting to me that I actually made this account so I could tell you what it says.
It is written in Arabic, but it is a bible verse from Revelations 8:10-11
"The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great flaming star fell out of the sky, burning like a torch. It fell upon one-third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star was Bitterness. It made one-third of the water bitter, and many people died because the water was so bitter."
As for the second picture I'm not sure why you posted it. Owls have been used by many cultures since ancient times, and are still used today. They can mean different things, but usually represent wisdom. They have never been an illuminati symbol. The supposed illuminati don't worship an owl god they wosrship Ba'al or the devil but more likely they worship themselves, example the saying "As above so below" they seek to create heaven on earth implying that man is god. That is my take on it anyway.
Is the reason for your owl picture because of Diamond Eyes using the white owl? That is totally different. The great white owl is a symbol in Native American culture that represents a warning (usually a warning of death) or a sign that you should seek inner sight.
Better picture..
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1302/grove1630.jpg)
Owls see in the dark. Lucifer=Light. Light/Dark...as above so below. Theosopists are really into opposites to create the perfect balance.
Minerva/Athena[Greek] is usually represented by an OWL. She was the goddess of magic [magick?] and the inventor of music (interesting ties to the song). Athena is associated with Isis...Wife of Osirus and mother of Horus. These three are key figures in masonic symbolism/ritual...
And like ^you said...Owls are a symbol of death which can also be represented by skull and bones.
AS ABOVE SO BELOW [AASB]
can be represented by a Hexagram...
(http://www.gnosis.art.pl/iluminatornia/mysterion/d_a_freher_w_dziele_j_behmena_1764.jpg)
(http://rlv.zcache.com/rose_gold_unicursal_mousepad-p144466564655393468trak_400.jpg)
Which can also be represented by the Freemason symbol [As long as the points of the angle are going opposite directions, this represents AASB]
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp14/Inverted_Heptagram_Star/Masonicimagry.gif)
Hmmm......Sacramento isn't that far from where the Bohemian Grove is...not saying anything, but Chino's recent Baphomet tattoo and all this info....
The more I keep digging, the more connections I see between Deftones lyrics/symbols to Illuminati/occult/etcccc...I'll do some more research
you hate the masons dont you man
all they do is give out candy to disabled children and hold bake sales on " Dark Thursday"
whats there to be suspicious about?
and yes ... deftones are devilworshiping/illuminatiknowledgepossessing/eyeswideshutpartygoing motherfuckers
but they make some pretty catchy tunes
Yeah pretty much.
But my research stops there. I don't see any other connections in their lyrics. I'm not saying they're worshipping the devil or anything, it's just interesting the choices of imagery Chino and their graphic designers use.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 22, 2011, 09:46 PM
The more I keep digging, the more connections I see between Deftones lyrics/symbols to Illuminati/occult/etcccc...I'll do some more research
You can find connections between masonic/illuminati/occult and ANY band or artist that is famous and on a major record label today. Deftones make awesome music, that's what's important to me. I'll admit the occult stuff can be intriguing though.
SATAN
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Quote from: bloody_liver on Jan 11, 2011, 06:10 PM
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_4a430bbc51c1498483fe84d3148d1011.jpg)
this is in my SNW booklet...
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Jan 12, 2011, 09:55 AM
Royal reminds me of fucking aliens
you really think chino's talkin about alien sex here ???
Diamond eyes symbol, Baphomet tattoo, an owl, join the stage with 30STM.. well i think they are pretty masonic now..
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on Jun 26, 2011, 06:07 PM
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Jan 12, 2011, 09:55 AM
Royal reminds me of fucking aliens
you really think chino's talkin about alien sex here ???
hahahahahaha.
It's actually not that bad if you put it straight in the Alien's butt, though.
I'm surprised no one posted this from the Change video. It shows Sun/Illuminati/Luciferian/Pyramid Symbology.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQedn4Pn-ig2oUC07iUzuEs_-Qo2alj9c5x6Yuzt2tamYw9ML-S)
im gonna bump this thread.
The new vinyl set brought me to deftones.com
I saw the new merch.
Its a basic all seeing eye logo.
Anyone know who does the artwork, and who signs off on it?? ???
There's a blatant occult theme goin on now.
Sure, a skull with red roses for the self titled.
We all know the white pony art.
Diamond has a white owl. A sigil on the cd and inside back cover. Royal lyrics (fav song on album by the way)
and now, the Pyramid. The all seeing eye is even on the key chain.
Damn. That's up your butt blatant symbolism.
I thought this was because of the big label wanting to increase sales, but I'm curious if the band has any say in what gets put out.
The whole pyramid theme is played out.
looks tacky.
Best deftones logo is the cursive script. Thats all you need really. 8)
I think its bullshit to say that Deftones are like satan worshippers or whatever, (why does everyone always try to have occult themes included with music? Especially metal and rap its seems like, two genres which have been antagonized a lot in their respective histories) I just think that its probably that all this occult shit just looks *cool*, theyre trying to include a bit of symbolism in their work to make it a bit deeper and give off that "mysterious" vibe.
But also, I dont see a lot of these occult themes outside of S/T and Diamond Eyes. The rest of the records are lacking in the symbolism department to me at least.
Also, to fully understand this, we should take inventory of all the themes apparent in Deftones "mythos":
1. Animals (Cat on "Like Linus", Horse on "White Pony", Owl on "Diamond Eyes")
2. Sexuality (Girl on the "Around the Fur" cover, naming an album "Eros" the god of love and sexuality, what some have suggested about the true meaning of "Passenger", cover of the "Hexagram" singles cover is called "Bound Love" (?) or something like that, "Korea", etc.)
3. Medical (the thing on the "Adrenaline" cover, "RX Queen")
4. Metaphysical/occult (The owl on "Diamond Eyes", artwork inside the "Saturday Night Wrist" booklet, naming a song "Minerva", the title "Eros", "Hexagram", "Rapture")
5. Self Destruction/death ("Knife Prty", "Fireal", "RX Queen", "Boys Republic", "My Own Summer", A SHIT LOAD OF OTHER SONGS BY THEM)
So from there we can take into account on what Deftones music seems to truly be about.
Doesn't sound bad but the names of songs are not mostly named for a reason (sounds cool to them a lot) and the album covers I don't believe mean anything at all except White Pony (there's a White horse on it). They've said pretty much that over the years, but then again they don't always give an accurate explaination for much, it seems like.
Quote from: Cool Mountaineer on Jun 22, 2011, 10:29 PM
you hate the masons dont you man
all they do is give out candy to disabled children and hold bake sales on " Dark Thursday"
whats there to be suspicious about?
and yes ... deftones are devilworshiping/illuminatiknowledgepossessing/eyeswideshutpartygoing motherfuckers
but they make some pretty catchy tunes
[/quot
Thing is, u don't know what is beneath the surface of the Masons unless u belong. It's the only way u know man. I know this.
These conclusions can be a misconception... I remember an interview where chino said he wanted the owl on the diamond eyes cover because it was inspired by Faith no More's album Angel Dust ( which has a vibrant white bird on the cover). As human beings we are symbol - data extracting creatures that make generalized connections to certain archetypal symbols; in this case we are talking about masonic occult lore and depictions embedded within the deftones work... But you never know chino is one ambiguous mother fucka' when it comes to lyrical content.
Come to think of it...Team Sleep lyrics are pretty creepy/ eerie, too. I really don't think there's any deep occult meaning or connotation in their music...When you're looking for something you're going to find it...like playing Stairway backward on the record player...listen hard enough it will sound like 'satan' whatever that sounds like. I think Deftones have just chiseled their own style, and it happens to be eerie in some senses of the word. But hey, stranger things have happened *shrugs*
I meant as far as the Titles or cover pictures being related to the songs on that album or the album itself. Don't think most of them have a relationship with it's own contents. Could b wrong don't think we'll ever know either. :-\ I like it that way
It's kind of funny you started this thread because I have been thinking about this a lot since diamond eyes came out... I am a long time fan and dont think the band has always had these themes I think they really came in around white pony, the lyrics in a boys republic describe a blue star shining it's light down? I think this is a reference to the star Sirius which has a lot of occult connections and of course there are the songs Minerva the pagan goddess, hexagram, and others... I didn't really notice these things at first and maybe I subconsciously tried to ignore them but the more I studied the occult it began obvious, I dont it's the whole band though seems to be chino, then once he got that baphomet tattoo it became pretty obvious he has gotten into these things...
Does anyone else remember that pic with chino and Marilyn Manson? it was taken around the self titled album
Plus look at the lyrics in crosses, the themes of aliens and demonic beings are obvious
I dont think we can be naive, I have and still admire his lyrical work but I ain't dumb it is what is
Quote from: bebo on Jun 23, 2011, 02:33 AM
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this is brilliant
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 24, 2011, 01:45 PM
Quote from: bebo on Jun 23, 2011, 02:33 AM
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this is brilliant
oh god I was about to post something like that, but you did the job for me, bebo
applause, applause
Just found this:
MINERVAL
(http://secretarcana.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/minervalseal-300x206.jpg)
Minerval seals of the Bavarian Illuminati. These pendants, worn around the necks of Minerval initiates, featured the Owl of Minerva .
Also known as the Owl of Wisdom, this symbol is still found today in powerful places: around the White House, hidden on the dollar bill or on the insignia of the Bohemian Club.
Source:
http://secretarcana.com/hiddenknowledge/the-order-of-the-illuminati-its-origins-its-methods-and-its-influence-on-the-world-events/
are you referring to the song minerva? i think it's about the goddess minerva.. the bitch that invented music
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 25, 2011, 01:24 PM
are you referring to the song minerva? i think it's about the goddess minerva.. the bitch that invented music
edit:
my image just dont showd up. the minerval seals have an owl picture in it.
ok.. probably just my computer that I'm at for the moment that's struggeling.
Anyway, I think they just picked the d.e cover from a stock photography data base because they thought it looked cool, i would guess no deeper meaning
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 25, 2011, 01:44 PM
ok.. probably just my computer that I'm at for the moment that's struggeling.
Anyway, I think they just picked the d.e cover from a stock photography data base because they thought it looked cool, i would guess no deeper meaning
well i really hate (if) my fav band join the that some kind of secretsociety.. i really dont want these guys to be the "bad guy"
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 25, 2011, 01:44 PM
ok.. probably just my computer that I'm at for the moment that's struggeling.
Anyway, I think they just picked the d.e cover from a stock photography data base because they thought it looked cool, i would guess no deeper meaning
nope, they did a specific shoot with that owl. there's a picture somewhere of chino with the owl. still i agree they just did it to look cool. could you really imagine any of the guys being into the occult? imagine abe or stephen sitting around talking about that stuff. it just seems silly and laughable to me.
i know the picture you're thinking of..i thought that was a different owl because frank said they had a meeting where they had a lot of different pictures presented to them to chose from when they were gonna pick the cover.and everyone loved the owl
edit: i searched for stockphoto at this board and there's a link proving it's a stock photo according to a member here:
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16405.200.html (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16405.200.html)
but the link there doesn't work. the owl pictures with chino are there too. confusing
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 25, 2011, 01:24 PM
are you referring to the song minerva? i think it's about the goddess minerva.. the bitch that invented music
lmfheadoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: sing blue silver on Oct 31, 2011, 10:42 PM
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 25, 2011, 01:44 PM
ok.. probably just my computer that I'm at for the moment that's struggeling.
Anyway, I think they just picked the d.e cover from a stock photography data base because they thought it looked cool, i would guess no deeper meaning
nope, they did a specific shoot with that owl. there's a picture somewhere of chino with the owl. still i agree they just did it to look cool. could you really imagine any of the guys being into the occult? imagine abe or stephen sitting around talking about that stuff. it just seems silly and laughable to me.
about the thing where people say it's a stock photo but still there's pictures of chino with an owl,maybe it was like this: they picked a stock photo with an owl as a cover. then to have something to go with it, they got a hold of another owl of the same kind - so they could use it for some inside cd/booklet art.where on different pages, the thought were to have pictures where each member held the owl in different poses.
half through the photo shoot, they said "wait a minute... what are we doing? this is fucking stupid" so they scrapped all of it in the last minute.
and that's why d.e just had boring white lyrics to a black background inside the cd ^
I kind of just realized how sick the D.E. cover is with the owl and all the (potential) symbolism, but I wish it had the ribbon 131 font. :-\
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 04, 2011, 08:42 AM
I kind of just realized how sick the D.E. cover is with the owl and all the (potential) symbolism, but I wish it had the ribbon 131 font. :-\
here they talk about the cover
@ 5:30
Deftones Interview - UpVenue.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYlzdHtfCmM#ws)
@2:10
kdge.com EF 20 Deftones Interview pt 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovIzLt45xgE#ws)
i know some people like to dig deep in this sort of stuff, but deftones just aren't that kind of band
Quote from: from_musings on Nov 04, 2011, 03:25 PM
i know some people like to dig deep in this sort of stuff, but deftones just aren't that kind of band
exactly!
^And you know that how??
Don't trust anyone.
Quote from: pony_01 on Oct 25, 2011, 12:52 PM
Just found this:
MINERVAL
(http://secretarcana.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/minervalseal-300x206.jpg)
Minerval seals of the Bavarian Illuminati. These pendants, worn around the necks of Minerval initiates, featured the Owl of Minerva .
Also known as the Owl of Wisdom, this symbol is still found today in powerful places: around the White House, hidden on the dollar bill or on the insignia of the Bohemian Club.
Source:
http://secretarcana.com/hiddenknowledge/the-order-of-the-illuminati-its-origins-its-methods-and-its-influence-on-the-world-events/
Awesome find... kind of tie to what I said a page before; "
Minerva/Athena[Greek] is usually represented by an OWL. She was the goddess of magic [magick?] and the inventor of music (interesting ties to the song). Athena is associated with Isis...Wife of Osirus and mother of Horus. These three are key figures in masonic symbolism/ritual..."
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 05, 2011, 12:06 AM
Don't trust anyone.
you're right , i often question what they say when they try too appear better than they are. when someone is lying, it's usually when someone has the desire to appear better than they really are. but to fuck around with symbolism and hidden messages as an artist is something that would increase their artistic aura. so i don't understand why they would lie to seem "worse" in this case?
BAPHOMET
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Masons_baphomet.jpg/406px-Masons_baphomet.jpg)
"The Baphomet of Lévi was to become an important figure within the cosmology of Thelema, the mystical system established by Aleister Crowley in the early twentieth century."
Aleister Crowley is a theosophist, occultist...
I love how some the comments in this thread try to say that Chino and/or Deftones have no occultist ties or references...yet we keep finding more. No one is saying they personally practice theosophy or are satanists, but their ARE many examples that show that they do use occult themes in their music, imagery, and tattoos [ ;) ]
They're trying to keep us from exposing them. Fuck the naysayers.
what if chino just walked into a tattoo studio and said he wanted a new tat.got a book with tattooes to choose from and saw it and said "woooow what an awesome animal...i want it, it looks kwl". and the tattooist goes"oh the Baphomet? this "animal" is actually a goat from the 11th century latin which
in occul.."and chino went yeah yeah, i said i wanted it, jeez, just put it on me
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
I can't believe no one has mentioned steph's inverted red pentagram on his right arm. I think he got it recently.
not sure why no one's posted this yet,
this is obvious to me why he uses these kinds of imagery in his artwork as i've always had the same opinion. I'm not christian but i think religious art is kind of.. i dunno creepy and shit... and it's deep.. same with the occult shit...
this is from the same interview where he said that we're a bunch of motherfuckers here on SL hahahaha
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It sounds like you're seeking something spiritual and fulfilling, instead of some kind of specific religious dogma.
MORENO: It's more of an artistic thing than anything literal. I think it's awesome that I play with a lot of these things in the lyrics, as well. I've always been into religious art, the occult and a lot of different things—not because I follow [them], but because I am intrigued by it all. I'm always reading about it, whether it be on the dark side or on the lighter side of things. I'm always intrigued by it and I think it fits well with the dark, erotic kind of vibe of the music.
Usually when we are making this music, we usually put up some movie on the TV in the studio. A lot of the movies we put up are really weirdo, visual movies, usually from the '60s and '70s. A lot of them are weirdo, religion-sort-of-based and satanic-sort-of-based. I love visual inspiration while I'm making music. That stuff is always inspiring to me. Those movies—back in that era, before CGI and any of that—it's just amazing to just have up whether you're tracking a guitar, tracking bass, or singing. It's cool to look over and see this bugged-out whatever. [Laughs.]
Quote from: thewanderer on Nov 15, 2011, 01:24 PM
I can't believe no one has mentioned steph's inverted red pentagram on his right arm. I think he got it recently.
i think he's had that for years now, actually.. i noticed it back in 06 or so unless he's gotten a new one
This is
Your Test... Come Forth, Confess! Extend
Your Tongue, Speak Out, Go On.
Shedding Your Skin, Showing Your Texture. Time to Let
Everything Inside Show.
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
LOL seriously... when I saw that I was like wow, ha
I dont think the whole band is into it but to me its obvious Chino has been exploring it(the occult that is)... how deep has he explored I dont know but the lyric's since white pony have started in that direction, look at the lyrics to Rosemary
I always felt like the lyrics in Diamond eyes were referring to the prophecy of Enoch, not sure if anyone is familiar with that...
No .. you guys are finding things where there aren't any. Deftones have stated on numerous occasions that they're not religious. To believe in the occult you'd need to be religious. And Illuminati .. lol cmon.
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
Haha, you know what we germans have had this fucking baphoment on or passport for more than half a century, and this declares our whole identity by birth without having any chance against it. It's like beeing hated because of beeing black, asian or not believing in things.
http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/symbols/german_id_card/Pic3.JPG (http://www.cremationofcare.com/images/symbols/german_id_card/Pic3.JPG)
The hints are there so if you translate our passport to english it's not passport but Personal-ID-Card, that leads all my identity is based on this thing.
Personal like employed people, but whom for you ask, well I'm sure it's a hidden brand mark, given by our 4 Invader countries namingly USA, UK, France and Russia.
We're like a Stallion that has this one stenciled in with hot metal. Employed for supplying the World with the best cars and dumb at anything else and kept below curtains for obvious reasons, yet I think it's a hidden message given that we have this sign and at the same time still have very few people that still think it's 1945.
Jews are about the same with their Hexagram, I always wondered why they're so unpopular world wide whether in christian or muslim society. Certainly I'm not going further but I'm not the only one that sees something bad coming for all of us and it's just a matter of time: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
It's better not to worry too much as if anyone knows anything we wouldn't want to know more. I think the Hexagram is one of the most known shape worldwide, no wonder deftones have adopted it and play it a role in something big, because it is really all around.
Quote from: Bifrost on Sep 21, 2012, 05:52 PM
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
LOL seriously... when I saw that I was like wow, ha
seriously, because i dont think chino is that stupid like some people who got a tattoo but dont know what it means.
Quote from: M1GHTY M4VS on Sep 21, 2012, 07:53 PM
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
Haha, you know what we germans have had this fucking baphoment on or passport for more than half a century, and this declares our whole identity by birth without having any chance against it. It's like beeing hated because of beeing black, asian or not believing in things.
It's better not to worry too much as if anyone knows anything we wouldn't want to know more. I think the Hexagram is one of the most known shape worldwide, no wonder deftones have adopted it and play it a role in something big, because it is really all around.
have you ever heard of the occult maxim hidden in plain sight?
I mean the US Dollar bill has some of the most esoteric symbology there is, ask a mason, but its there for everyone to see because most folks dont know what it means or disregard it as innocuous...
I get what you mean Bifrost, just a matter of time until their goal is reached unfortunately...
There are bands out there who have many masonry symbols in their music (Dream Theater), but Deftones is not one of them
I certainly hope not but it seems that every band is the hands of the illumanti nowadays. Deftones are certainly not an expection as the merchandise gets freakier every day;
Mind control butterflies (check vigilantcitizen.com)
(http://www.pavlovvisuals.com/cms/files/projects/deftones/deftones_2.png)
All seeying eye, pyramids, its all there.
(http://cdn.acfrg.com/i/300_400_fit/ACfrG/productimg/2/225907a2.jpg)
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
Quote from: Bifrost on Sep 21, 2012, 05:52 PM
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
LOL seriously... when I saw that I was like wow, ha
seriously, because i dont think chino is that stupid like some people who got a tattoo but dont know what it means.
Well... it seems he is stupid after all. LoL ;D
QuoteOn a completely unrelated note. I was looking at photos from the Big Day Out and noticed the demon tattoo on your right bicep. When did you get that done?
Oh, the baphomet? I got that a few months ago in Belgium.
Is there a significance behind it?
I don't know. I mean, I have other religious tattoos as well. I like the art a lot. I'm really into religious art, but I don't feel too strongly about any one religion. I just take it as it looks. It's probably the only tattoo I've got that I really appreciate, and really like. I wanted a baphomet, and I had a guy draw it up the way I wanted it. He did it perfect, so it's like, you know, something fun to look at.
source: http://www.thevine.com.au/music/interviews/deftones-interview/ (http://www.thevine.com.au/music/interviews/deftones-interview/)
Quote from: Teknoman on Sep 26, 2012, 04:12 AM
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 21, 2012, 08:06 PM
Quote from: Bifrost on Sep 21, 2012, 05:52 PM
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 10, 2011, 07:23 PM
It needs BALLS to put a Baphomet tattoo on your body.. just sayin
LOL seriously... when I saw that I was like wow, ha
seriously, because i dont think chino is that stupid like some people who got a tattoo but dont know what it means.
Well... it seems he is stupid after all. LoL ;D
QuoteOn a completely unrelated note. I was looking at photos from the Big Day Out and noticed the demon tattoo on your right bicep. When did you get that done?
Oh, the baphomet? I got that a few months ago in Belgium.
Is there a significance behind it?
I don't know. I mean, I have other religious tattoos as well. I like the art a lot. I'm really into religious art, but I don't feel too strongly about any one religion. I just take it as it looks. It's probably the only tattoo I've got that I really appreciate, and really like. I wanted a baphomet, and I had a guy draw it up the way I wanted it. He did it perfect, so it's like, you know, something fun to look at.
source: http://www.thevine.com.au/music/interviews/deftones-interview/ (http://www.thevine.com.au/music/interviews/deftones-interview/)
why is he stupid?
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Jan 12, 2011, 09:55 AM
I think there's a bit in there for sure, mostly Chino i'd imagine.
It's some kind of subliminal subtext. There's so many themes going on all the time, most mysterious, but the occult is definitely there on some level, imo especially from S/T on.
Royal reminds me of fucking aliens, which could be considered occult depending on how you look at at, like that ancient aliens theory that gods are aliens and vice versa. And "Diamond Eyes", with the fuckin owls?
I think there's definitely something going on there, i don't care what Chino said in interviews. Not like he's going to come out and say, "yeah the concept of alot of the albums is aliens and higher life forms and our return to a primitive and enlightened state of oneness with the universe" or whatever the hell it is. He'd rather let people draw their own conclusions. I could care less, i hope to never know for sure cuz i'd prolly be dissapointed. I think he knows this by now about listeners since he's one himself.
It's like if Damone's your favorite song and you have an idea what it's about for you and it's really meaningful and then you see an interview where he says it's about Rumplestiltskin.
Someone with Brain ! (I will not put my balls and say that the album Diamond Eyes(not the all album of course!)is basically influenced by this movie,but if not,it's a such goddamn coincidence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqr7B5RRcI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqr7B5RRcI) "The Fourth Kind"
Deftones Themselves Shared this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhz9TE5FuMk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhz9TE5FuMk) Director: Kenneth Anger, "Lucifer Rising"
When a band have the collaboration of the Genius Maynard James Keenan in the album when Chino Moreno have Crosses (now palms too) when you understand the basic about any religion or occult or some theories, basically, WHEN YOU LIKE METAL, true bands of metal,you don't need to be a genius or search deep to see if some band have influences in some theme,if you don't interpret things like to be occult or whatever, you don't need to try be funny, you fucking dipshit poser...now the irony,Tool always gods.
TOOL Lost Keys / Rosetta Stoned (w/lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcSUprIp-A#ws)
Deftones are one of the best Jesus loving bands out there. that's why they are so creative, especially chino with these lyrics. wordplay.
Interesting topic. Must say, that Baphomet tattoo kinda freaked me out. And the footage of them making a pentagram on tour freaked me out too...from the short tourvideo's they did in 2007 (surprised it hasn't been posted on here);
http://youtu.be/D-BWB4Db6q4 (http://youtu.be/D-BWB4Db6q4)
I don't think it matters that he has that, I remember a interview Chino did and it was mainly about tattoo's and he said he purely chooses them on aesthetics and doesn't take any religious meaning they may have behind them and just treats as pieces of art not attached to some higher meaning. Also I'm guessing that pentagram was for a photoshoot or something either that or just fucking around,I don't any of this seriously anyway I believe you could find suggestions of occult themes in any band if you looked hard enough and also I think it would be more obvious if they were.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jun 04, 2013, 12:56 PM
I think it would be more obvious if they were.
LOL thats why we call it "Occult"... and it's not obvious for you man...like you said:
:
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jun 04, 2013, 12:56 PM
I don't any of this seriously
I agree with your comment but
People don't need to search deep ...
You don't like horror movies,myths,black metal,stoner rock, etc lol?...i just think that is funny that Crowley is a figure that inspire so many artists,
Crowley's photo appeared on the Beatles' Sgt. Pepper album cover lol, so many MAINSTREAM artists like TOOL, David Bowie, Marilyn Manson have Crowley influences lol and i mean much more bands have only in the mainstream side... whats the problem if they do what they do...the occult is not a bad thing,like Danny Carey says
Unfortunately,To christians etc... some knowledge is a scary thing that could tear down the walls of their little fortress they have spent many years building and reinforcing around themselves, so its much easier to label something as "evil" rather than have their security jeopardized, and leave themselves vulnerable to infinite chaos. I have found that courage is always rewarded when trying to find truth and beauty for what it is, rather than what someone has told you it is. I say always trust in your own divinity and your explorations will not go unfulfilled, and by the way, the word occult simply means hidden.
I remember Once Stephen or Chino said "knife party" was influenced by the movie "eyes wide shut" but the song its about something like a secret society, about people that cut themselves in a sexual ritual or something like that lol... they have so many songs influenced by "satanic"(haha) movies lolz
like some people said before, deftones a long time ago, shared in myspace pictures about bohemian groove (the owl) haha
See this:
DECEPTION (Lilith- Part 55) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAc_Y6BsIms#)
Deftones - Diamond Eyes (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksTlo_1Tpw#ws)
you think that i searched deep? (only one simply association, nothing more, like you said, i could associate much more things about this song, like i did before for example in my last comment haha)
Now read this:
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Nov 16, 2011, 10:19 AM
not sure why no one's posted this yet,
this is obvious to me why he uses these kinds of imagery in his artwork as i've always had the same opinion. I'm not christian but i think religious art is kind of.. i dunno creepy and shit... and it's deep.. same with the occult shit...
this is from the same interview where he said that we're a bunch of motherfuckers here on SL hahahaha
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It sounds like you're seeking something spiritual and fulfilling, instead of some kind of specific religious dogma.
MORENO: It's more of an artistic thing than anything literal. I think it's awesome that I play with a lot of these things in the lyrics, as well. I've always been into religious art, the occult and a lot of different things—not because I follow [them], but because I am intrigued by it all. I'm always reading about it, whether it be on the dark side or on the lighter side of things. I'm always intrigued by it and I think it fits well with the dark, erotic kind of vibe of the music.
Usually when we are making this music, we usually put up some movie on the TV in the studio. A lot of the movies we put up are really weirdo, visual movies, usually from the '60s and '70s. A lot of them are weirdo, religion-sort-of-based and satanic-sort-of-based. I love visual inspiration while I'm making music. That stuff is always inspiring to me. Those movies—back in that era, before CGI and any of that—it's just amazing to just have up whether you're tracking a guitar, tracking bass, or singing. It's cool to look over and see this bugged-out whatever. [Laughs.]
I could write all night long about deftones and "occult" Chino plays with these themes, its not like he would come and say yeah my tattoos about "baphomet"
its because i believe in that kind of stuff and my lyrics are all about paranormal related stuff muahaha...
everything matters in a way or another and people believe what they want to believe...
Yeah I knew they had touched on it but it's like the number 13 movie if you look you will find it no matter what band if they were truly abosorbed with and lived by the occult it would be even more prevalent but I think like you said they just find it interesting and use it as an influence and I can't blame them I love music with some mystery if it was all about normal life it would be boring as fuck, I also remember them saying that when they hang out they spend alot of time talking about conspiracies and other stuff like that because they find it interesting. Also you missed the most obvious Crowley reference by Ozzy lol
look at their twitter profile picture! and that diamond eyes symbolism! symbolism everywhere!
Quote from: pony_01 on Aug 22, 2013, 04:51 AM
look at their twitter profile picture! and that diamond eyes symbolism! symbolism everywhere!
lolz yeah, it's so obvious, at least for me...i just find it so annoying when people come in with cliches phrases and ways of thinking,we live in the 21st century everyone can do a little research about anything in the internet or in a library if you think that anything of this is satanic or "evil" lolz omfg...
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Aug 22, 2013, 12:17 AM
they just find it interesting and use it as an influence and I can't blame them I love music with some mystery if it was all about normal life it would be boring as fuck, I also remember them saying that when they hang out they spend alot of time talking about conspiracies and other stuff like that because they find it interesting. Also you missed the most obvious Crowley reference by Ozzy lol
F~ck yeah and the Prince of Darkness Ozzy Osbourne xD i just think they play with this stuff and people believe in what they want to believe.
The last time I met Steph was at the Diamond Eyes release party/gig in London and I asked him what the Pentagram/Hex/Pyramid logo was all about in the Diamond Eyes booklet/cd case and he said he had no idea what it was or where it came from.
We was talking about the NWO/Illuminati too, for a good hour, but was talking along the lines of how fucked up the world is because of the system. So there's a little insight.
Steph's side-project is called Sol Invicto too, taken from Sol Invictus, a Roman Sun God.
Deftones have often used the Reptilian from Star Trek as their avatar on social media too, I'm sure some of the guys know what's up and use the symbolism to their own advantage.
I think people are looking waaaaaaay too much into this... I think Chino said himself it's not that he believes the shit or practices anything, the imagery just looks cool... I'm the same way. I like some religious art, but I am not religious. Also, as far as any graphics on their albums or anything, do you guys really think the band has anything to do with the album covers or anything? They hire companies to do that shit for them, then I'm sure they look at it and say "oh that's cool" and publish it...
I don't even know what occult shit is or who started this.
Chino's lyrics to me are always about interaction with a woman and relationship. just cool metaphors and words describing that.
do you really think reptillian is real and exist????
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Sep 11, 2013, 01:05 AM
I think people are looking waaaaaaay too much into this... I think Chino said himself it's not that he believes the shit or practices anything, the imagery just looks cool... I'm the same way. I like some religious art, but I am not religious. Also, as far as any graphics on their albums or anything, do you guys really think the band has anything to do with the album covers or anything? They hire companies to do that shit for them, then I'm sure they look at it and say "oh that's cool" and publish it...
It's called a discussion. No one is looking "waaaaaaaaay" into this. Its obvious. I've pointed out some occult links in Deftones imagery/lyrics/videos etc. and so have others. No one has stated that they are trying to send a message or anything, just that there ARE these themes within their world. This topic has never come up before this thread and I think it's an important one.
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 11, 2013, 06:01 AM
do you really think reptillian is real and exist????
Definitely a possibility, for sure.
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 11, 2013, 06:01 AM
do you really think reptillian is real and exist????
I don't really buy into it there's no real weight to the idea I think it's just more interesting than the boring truth
The Book of Douche Bag. Vol 1. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nni5BUWcZWk#ws)
The Book of Douche Bag. Vol 2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve21X6M_SAg#ws)
The Book of Douche Bag. Vol 3. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6BBU9ASt0#ws)
The Book of Douche Bag. Vol 4. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpydoVeiKio#ws)
BELIEF IN THE ONE TRUE POWER
Deftones - Pink Cellphone | LYRICS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoPIa2b-NSo#ws)
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Sep 11, 2013, 10:45 AM
Quote from: pony_01 on Sep 11, 2013, 06:01 AM
do you really think reptillian is real and exist????
I don't really buy into it there's no real weight to the idea I think it's just more interesting than the boring truth
exactly. thats what i think it is.
Seems this one has died down due to a lack of new deftones material. Since the lyrics are the main things that we find to be associated with the occult, I suggest we keep track of whatever projects chino (the creator of deftones lyrics) is in...
I have created a similar thread in the Crosses section.
Chino reptilian /mexican duhh retards 8)
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on Jun 03, 2013, 03:28 AM
Deftones are one of the best Jesus loving bands out there. that's why they are so creative, especially chino with these lyrics. wordplay.
Somebody gets the music Deftones make!! Makes me happy because it seems like too many see the symbolisms in their art and music but don't continue to think with the symbols. Not seeing the point of what Chino ever says in the sounds. Thanks, SwerveCityUSA. My day is made :-* :-* :-* :-*
Well, there's a say that says: "El que busca, encuentra" (He who seeks finds) so, there will be a lot of referencies related to occult themes or another things, like use of drugs, religion, politics, sci-fi, etc, and also a lot of bands nowadays use many symbology related, so, wether it's an isnpiration for them or a well created-imaginated history (like Cult of Luna's album, Eternal Kingdom), it is open to what everyone wants or chooses to believe, unless the band itself speaks for it.
On the other side, I was thinking about asking Stef and all the other members of the band if they ask Chino what is about certain song or lyrics, or they just let Chino do his writing without ask him "hey, what this song talks about?"... But, I didn't have the chance to talk to them...
Bump!
Look what Sergio posted a moment ago on his instagram... http://instagram.com/p/xsFC86gKiX/ (http://instagram.com/p/xsFC86gKiX/)
Coincidence? Don't know what to think...
Bump again!
The lyrics for the entire album "Gore" fit in nicely with this theory. I found this thread after noticing that myself.
Quote from: 2MoreHours on Apr 11, 2016, 02:45 PM
Bump again!
The lyrics for the entire album "Gore" fit in nicely with this theory. I found this thread after noticing that myself.
Lots of talk about gods,deities, shapes, darkness... Have to read some more and see if I find any specific examples like the Minerva/Owl reference
all those triangles in the P/T video
illuminati convirmed
What about star wars as an occult theme... stormtrooper (Video with daughter as st on stage) this is truly a sign and symbolism ---> chino = darth vader omg i`m on to something 0_o :D
what is more occult than this yedi and imperium shit? oh no, obi steph kenobi, you´ve lost him. ::)
yeah guys, i think we can see more in someones writings and stuff than there actually is but that is just imagination, inspiration and art.
Quote from: thewatching on Apr 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
What about star wars as an occult theme... stormtrooper (Video with daughter as st on stage) this is truly a sign and symbolism ---> chino = darth vader omg i`m on to something 0_o :D
what is more occult than this yedi and imperium shit? oh no, obi steph kenobi, you´ve lost him. ::)
yeah guys, i think we can see more in someones writings and stuff than there actually is but that is just imagination, inspiration and art.
Call it what you want but it's pretty obvious in Gore. Chino is writing about you going to hell. I'm not going with yall. Those demons are weak as hell. I have something for them.
man, it's about the dirge of his drug habits. they should not call for him anymore but just die.
he explained it in one interview promoting gore... it's about yin and yang in everyone... the battles we fight to overcome. he has constantly battled it throughtout since adrenaline.
sometimes the dark waves had won but he truely wants the absence of the dark... but we can play with it and still be strong, because religion is not as strong as psychology or personal enlightment, so he was persuaded by it in ancient ways to overcome. He does not judge you but himself and gives advice for everyone.
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Quote from: thewatching on Apr 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
What about star wars as an occult theme... stormtrooper (Video with daughter as st on stage) this is truly a sign and symbolism ---> chino = darth vader omg i`m on to something 0_o :D
what is more occult than this yedi and imperium shit? oh no, obi steph kenobi, you´ve lost him. ::)
yeah guys, i think we can see more in someones writings and stuff than there actually is but that is just imagination, inspiration and art.
Call it what you want but it's pretty obvious in Gore. Chino is writing about you going to hell. I'm not going with yall. Those demons are weak as hell. I have something for them.
plural you or what? I think you are kind of very exited about the new album and lyrics.
and what you call demons is on the inside...
I don`t see any occultism in these new lyrics, only one ancient greek relevance
I was writing a lyrical context based text but it was lost... so i only have the summup of it for you:
Prayers / Triangles
old habits coming back even if you feel save now with family
Triangles placed in your mind... the old drug thinking maniac believes
Acid Hologram
"Your light will fade and our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse
In the wake of your plume we bathe and drink
You remind me of her again"
He thinks of his first marriage again. He fears that his new wife will sync with his black heart.
She reminds him of her, but maybe only because of his ache in his heart.
Doomed User
heavy drug user song.
"They're delusions don't deny it
Don't make this out to be something about you
My only tale is one that I can't stand
Now I've become this core of rotted will
My heart is black and I will never feel"
heavydrug users think it's all about themselves. he reacknowledges it and it reminds him of the tale he cannot stand that it was all about him. [Drugs] made his heart black and never feel.
Geometric Headdress
now this is just a sexy song but could refer towards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurydice
Hearts / Wires
this is a mix of abscense of a friend (chi) and again relationship/marriage.
Pittura Infamante
this is very interesting. a lyric about his spirutality. you can see diversity ... hope in christanity as he was told as a child and new Options for himself... but still the Passion and hope for the praises and maybe they can mix for them/him.
Xenon
"You're floating out astray
This cold and lifeless Body"
"Keep riding on this wave
The desire sweeps your Body"
another drug releveance?
but maybe too... he took a higher viewpoint at us all... animals and humans, both the same, how we are yet the mix of yin yang with all the violence.... and it's predisposed, yet alterable, when you get this viewpoint.
(L)MIRL
"You're an old hex
That just drained my will"
"We have created
Now we're gone"
celeste reference
two sons, now their marriage is gone.
Gore
Nicely written sexy lyrics again.
A women you've attached to the darker sides of making love.
Phantom Bride
drug related song again
Rubicon
beautiful i'm on stage song. chino loves those :D
Quote from: thewatching on Apr 17, 2016, 05:35 PM
Quote from: 2MoreHours on Apr 15, 2016, 06:24 PM
Quote from: thewatching on Apr 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
What about star wars as an occult theme... stormtrooper (Video with daughter as st on stage) this is truly a sign and symbolism ---> chino = darth vader omg i`m on to something 0_o :D
what is more occult than this yedi and imperium shit? oh no, obi steph kenobi, you´ve lost him. ::)
yeah guys, i think we can see more in someones writings and stuff than there actually is but that is just imagination, inspiration and art.
Call it what you want but it's pretty obvious in Gore. Chino is writing about you going to hell. I'm not going with yall. Those demons are weak as hell. I have something for them.
plural you or what? I think you are kind of very exited about the new album and lyrics.
and what you call demons is on the inside...
I don`t see any occultism in these new lyrics, only one ancient greek relevance
I was writing a lyrical context based text but it was lost... so i only have the summup of it for you:
Prayers / Triangles
old habits coming back even if you feel save now with family
Triangles placed in your mind... the old drug thinking maniac believes
Acid Hologram
"Your light will fade and our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse
In the wake of your plume we bathe and drink
You remind me of her again"
He thinks of his first marriage again. He fears that his new wife will sync with his black heart.
She reminds him of her, but maybe only because of his ache in his heart.
Doomed User
heavy drug user song.
"They're delusions don't deny it
Don't make this out to be something about you
My only tale is one that I can't stand
Now I've become this core of rotted will
My heart is black and I will never feel"
heavydrug users think it's all about themselves. he reacknowledges it and it reminds him of the tale he cannot stand that it was all about him. [Drugs] made his heart black and never feel.
Geometric Headdress
now this is just a sexy song but could refer towards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurydice
Hearts / Wires
this is a mix of abscense of a friend (chi) and again relationship/marriage.
Pittura Infamante
this is very interesting. a lyric about his spirutality. you can see diversity ... hope in christanity as he was told as a child and new Options for himself... but still the Passion and hope for the praises and maybe they can mix for them/him.
Xenon
"You're floating out astray
This cold and lifeless Body"
"Keep riding on this wave
The desire sweeps your Body"
another drug releveance?
but maybe too... he took a higher viewpoint at us all... animals and humans, both the same, how we are yet the mix of yin yang with all the violence.... and it's predisposed, yet alterable, when you get this viewpoint.
(L)MIRL
"You're an old hex
That just drained my will"
"We have created
Now we're gone"
celeste reference
two sons, now their marriage is gone.
Gore
Nicely written sexy lyrics again.
A women you've attached to the darker sides of making love.
Phantom Bride
drug related song again
Rubicon
beautiful i'm on stage song. chino loves those :D
I don't think the lyrics are as deep as you want them to be. Just read them. They say a very simple message. You can try to interpret them to try to feel better about them but they are pretty cut and dry.
Quote from: bloody_liver on Jan 11, 2011, 06:14 PM
Here's some spooky lyrics as an examples
RIVIERE
She haunts the roads, she waits for a new face
The arms red and injured she wants to rise she cant till we have faced
I'll cut your armies down, and turn your heart!!!
You know, that's directly about La Llorona. I mean directly. So it's sort of occultish.