Damn dudes.. just noticed that Diamond Eyes and Rocket Skates are well over 2 million views on youtube!
So I'm guessing the album is doing well and the guys are doing pretty damned well. :D
I was kinda wondering.. Do Deftones play in bigger venues in your country/city after DE?
Over here, i guess the venues are around 25% bigger. But it sold out on the evening itself.. (netherlands)
Does anyone know any sales-figures?
The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.
Quote from: Starz on Dec 18, 2010, 03:13 AM
The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.
s/t didn't do horrible:
"the album sold 167,000 copies in its first week of release in America opening up at Number 2 on the billboard 200 (the highest charted album to date by the band)[citation needed] and went on to sell over 500,000 copies in the U.S. giving it Gold status. To date the album has sold aproximately 836,245 copies in the U.S."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album))
yes, it's different times now, ander after white pony's success those numbers weren't what everyone hoped for, but self titled isn't THAT far from platinum,1000.000 sold rec in the u.s now. (white pony and adrenaline already sold platinum. )
Yeah I know they went pretty big after WP, and they did the 2003 tour with APC. That combined gave them really big venues.
But what I'm curious about... After the 2003 S/T tour they went pretty small clubs (here in holland) ± 1500 people. But now after DE I see new people, more people liking it. So over here last show was at a stage that holds ± 2200 people.. So I was wondering if the same happened in other countries?
Quote from: UrZ* on Dec 18, 2010, 10:36 AM
Yeah I know they went pretty big after WP, and they did the 2003 tour with APC. That combined gave them really big venues.
But what I'm curious about... After the 2003 S/T tour they went pretty small clubs (here in holland) ± 1500 people. But now after DE I see new people, more people liking it. So over here last show was at a stage that holds ± 2200 people.. So I was wondering if the same happened in other countries?
Defo more attraction especially since they´re playing where pretty much no one is going like the pacific tour they are goint to do now. Also they played much in eastern europe recently + they got back to venues they had when they toured for WP, Sweden, Finland Norway + the old classics like Britain, Holland, Belgium and Germany are still in. I´d say they´ve become more popular with DE, they may not play that much of the big stages like they did let´s say for WP or even S/T but more spread all over. Imagine places where they´ve not been before since 06, Middle America Tour, Pacific Tour, Eastern Europe alongside with the major tours in the US and Western Europe + they get back to Australia quite big since about like S/T era BDO.
Venues might not become bigger if you compare them to their prime time like Rio 2001 ( how many - 100k ? 300k? idk) or even am Ring (75k-100k) 2003/2006
I got the mailing list e-mail yesturday sayin DE was voted album of the yr by Kerrang mag and also was given rock album of the yr by itunes which has led to a bunch of places doing special offers. That must be a good sign in these times of so many people not buying music anymore. It shows that at the very least us deftones fans are still among the best around for supporting the band we love.
Quote from: defmkjah22 on Dec 18, 2010, 01:05 PM
I got the mailing list e-mail yesturday sayin DE was voted album of the yr by Kerrang mag and also was given rock album of the yr by itunes which has led to a bunch of places doing special offers. That must be a good sign in these times of so many people not buying music anymore. It shows that at the very least us deftones fans are still among the best around for supporting the band we love.
good news man. iTunes i heard that on here, but Kerrang! too.. :) It's really the appreciation they deserve for doing a two albums (with the same money/time etc)
Quote from: defmkjah22 on Dec 18, 2010, 01:05 PM
I got the mailing list e-mail yesturday sayin DE was voted album of the yr by Kerrang mag and also was given rock album of the yr by itunes which has led to a bunch of places doing special offers. That must be a good sign in these times of so many people not buying music anymore. It shows that at the very least us deftones fans are still among the best around for supporting the band we love.
It was #2 album of the year in Kerrang (Bring Me The Horizon was #1). But it scored Rock Sound magazine #1 album of the year.
ahh, must have been an over excited deftones fan sendin out that e-mail. They were confident enough to put it in bold purple lettering. 2nd aint bad anyways considering the tastes of the alternative scene these days.
My bad. It WAS #1 in Kerrang. #2 in Rock Sound.
::)
Idiot -.-
It was chose by Itunes best rock album of the 2010
Damn, a white xmas in england and deftones coming number 1 in two seperate lists as well as a second in another. I should have put money on this.
I guess we all deserve part of the praise for actually buying their cd's, vinyl etc.... unlike the 90% plus people who steal their fav bands music these days.
I think those of us still here from the 90's early 00's always knew we were deftones 4 life. It just proves what an important and incredible band they are. So many of their peers still going struggle from album to album with lineup changes and record companies trying to be mainstream, whilst deftones just do their thing and its always got enough in it to keep us all in there and gain a few more fans. It even seems to filter out the type of fan you dont want by evolving naturally instead of in a forced OTT way.
Ah deftones love.
Are there any other lists around that they feature in?
Quote from: from_musings on Dec 18, 2010, 09:20 AM
Quote from: Starz on Dec 18, 2010, 03:13 AM
The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.
s/t didn't do horrible:
"the album sold 167,000 copies in its first week of release in America opening up at Number 2 on the billboard 200 (the highest charted album to date by the band)[citation needed] and went on to sell over 500,000 copies in the U.S. giving it Gold status. To date the album has sold aproximately 836,245 copies in the U.S."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album))
yes, it's different times now, ander after white pony's success those numbers weren't what everyone hoped for, but self titled isn't THAT far from platinum,1000.000 sold rec in the u.s now. (white pony and adrenaline already sold platinum. )
i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good, but will probably never go platinum barring a miracle. cause when snw came out they gave out s/ts album sales and it was 520k then. no way in hell it sold 300k + since late 06, snw didn't even sell that since then and it was new
They earned No2 on revolver (No1 being avenged sevenfold. Oh well...something is something.
Critics & fans love Diamond Eyes but unfortunately the album's only sold around 155,000 the last time i stumbled across an update. Even SNW sold more by this stage.
yea, albums don't sell worth a piss these days. that's actually a fairly big number these days. thst would be the equivalent of about 600k 10 years ago
...I hate modern technology.
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 20, 2010, 05:52 PM
Quote from: from_musings on Dec 18, 2010, 09:20 AM
Quote from: Starz on Dec 18, 2010, 03:13 AM
The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.
s/t didn't do horrible:
"the album sold 167,000 copies in its first week of release in America opening up at Number 2 on the billboard 200 (the highest charted album to date by the band)[citation needed] and went on to sell over 500,000 copies in the U.S. giving it Gold status. To date the album has sold aproximately 836,245 copies in the U.S."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones_(album))
yes, it's different times now, ander after white pony's success those numbers weren't what everyone hoped for, but self titled isn't THAT far from platinum,1000.000 sold rec in the u.s now. (white pony and adrenaline already sold platinum. )
i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good, but will probably never go platinum barring a miracle. cause when snw came out they gave out s/ts album sales and it was 520k then. no way in hell it sold 300k + since late 06, snw didn't even sell that since then and it was new
My teacher always said "little from_musings, remember, you must have sources to back up your argument ,keep that in mind when you write something" so that's what i did, I posted a source. If you wish to dispute the numbers you need to come up with a better source, not just say "no way in hell dude, the way I count it's .." that's not a better source.
where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then, but i'd rather be wrong here so i don't care, hopefully it is 836k. i just know i saw the 520k numbers from expert sources and wrote it donw right then(yea i'm a deftones info nerd) that 836 number has no source, or does it? i'd much rather it be 836 k
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 07:25 PM
where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then, but i'd rather be wrong here so i don't care, hopefully it is 836k. i just know i saw the 520k numbers from expert sources and wrote it donw right then(yea i'm a deftones info nerd) that 836 number has no source, or does it? i'd much rather it be 836 k
i wished you had an updated more serious link or something ,with actual figuers to look at.Your math based on 4 year old numbers isn't good enough i think. mine could be wrong,maybe, but it's all we got for now it seems
most of the billboard, & blabbermouth articles that told the sales figures are long gone, but i still have this for what it's worth. it's from early Jan 07
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/deronmiller/cdsalesJan07.gif)
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 08:40 PM
it's from early Jan 07
yeah but we have early jan 2011 round the corner, a four year old list isn't very updated.that page says adrenaline sold under platinum wich isn't true now. Don't you have a link or something to an updated actual page? no offense but you could've made that list yourself even ;)
yea i'm way too lazy to make a list like that, and i'd have no clue how to make it look that real/official. plus i have no interest in lying about deftones facts to you fine people, that would just be retarded and pointless. it has adrenaline somewhat on the verge of platinum in jan 07, then in sept 08 it went platinum. i looked for some of the links from billboard but they're long gone now, i never saved those. i think the billboard article was actually about b-sides debut in oct 05 not snw, and it said s/t was at like 485k, so when i saw those 07 figues i was glas to see it in the 500ks, true gold sales. 836k would make me alot happier though
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 08:58 PM
i'd have no clue how to make it look that real/official.
actually that list looks real home made ;D but it may be accurate numbers anyway four years ago. Who ever made it.
somebody posted it in here jan 07, and they had access to all the sales figures somehow, probably for any band. i think you have to pay for that kinda access on riaa or be in the business, or whatever. just regular joe schmos like us can't find sales figures unless billboard tells them in an article. that's why i saved it right away. i was really excited to see it. i bet the topic is still on this site. whoever posted it i think is long gone. there was also a site caled metal-sludge.com, and each week they'd show random metal bands sales figures, even random shit like w.a.s.p.'s exact numbers for all their albums, etc. someone who worked there, a chick i think had access, and i got them to do a huge deftones update by sending tons of requests with different fake names. it's still in the archives, somewhere around aug-nov 04. the 07 updates looks like a very natural progression of the 04 update. i think the 07 list is very real
still... it's old. And I think I know how you function. deep down,you don't want s/t to have those high numbers in sales, it's just bullshit. you search and want facts on that the self titled is a bad album according to most people, so poor sales and figures is an argument that you would use. so when a link says a total of 800.00 you almost seems irritated
check this out. i reluctantly got them to do it
http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39 (http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39)
no, believe me, i'd rather s/t be at 800k+ or platinum, our 30 platinum for all their albums. i want the most sales possible for them. i just dispute what i think might not be correct. no s/t hate agenda here, cause i don't hate the album. i'd much rather be wrong in this debate. it's basically just the deftones nerd in me trying to get things right
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 09:35 PM
check this out. i reluctantly got them to do it
http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39 (http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39)
ok thanks, but an
updated list is still what we're looking for. that list is from 2004, shit's 6 year old. s/t had only been out for a little more than a year-- not very fresh numbers.we are still at square one with this.
square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you
yeah hidalgo is pretty right about that..
shame though.. itunes(album)sales don't count for the total sales?...
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 22, 2010, 09:30 PM
square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you
yes it probably is some random fan who posted on wikipedia, but from my point of view you're also a random fan,who counts and estimates from 4-6 years old lists.to me it's both as good/bad sources for a person to use. personally I'm at square one as long as I don't have a new updated list.
yes we need that list from someone in the business, or the terrorists have won.
Quote from: UrZ* on Dec 22, 2010, 10:40 PM
yeah hidalgo is pretty right about that..
shame though.. itunes(album)sales don't count for the total sales?...
i believe itunes(album) are counted in total sales
Quote from: from_musings on Dec 27, 2010, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 22, 2010, 09:30 PM
square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you
yes it probably is some random fan who posted on wikipedia, but from my point of view you're also a random fan,who counts and estimates from 4-6 years old lists.to me it's both as good/bad sources for a person to use. personally I'm at square one as long as I don't have a new updated list.
yes we need that list from someone in the business, or the terrorists have won.
well at least you know i'm not making the lists up, or i'd have made a new one. the terrorists just might win if somebody doesn't come strong with a new liznist
i have noticed alot of deftones billboard charting is all out of wack on wiki lately. it says digital bath peaked at #3, when #16 is the truth. says bts made top 20, not true. says ystb is #18 now, well i looked and didn't see it. some fan went in and changed alot of facts with bs.
Ha...
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 20, 2010, 11:32 PM
yea, albums don't sell worth a piss these days. that's actually a fairly big number these days. thst would be the equivalent of about 600k 10 years ago
As the years progress the number of "tangible" album sales will drop substantially. I mean, every time I get in a friends car they don't have CD cases; they have auxiliary cables going to their ipods. Basically, CD's are on the road of becoming obsolete. Now, they'll always be around no doubt. But people aren't going to a record shop any more to buy CD's. Why leave home when you can download it off of the internet?
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 20, 2010, 05:52 PM
i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good,
According to Chino - s/t is close to platinum,something he said in aug 2010 to altpress.
(http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/ (http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/))
Alt.press: "Isn't White Pony the last Deftones record to go platinum?"
Chino: "Yeah, I think it is. Actually, I think the self-titled record is close to going platinum. I never got a platinum record for it. The only platinum plaques that I have are Adrenaline and White Pony."
@Hidalgo "close to platinum" isn't 600.000 copies, i'd say "close" is around 800.000- 900.000 copies
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 07:25 PM
where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then
well either it is possible or your homemade lists sucks :)
Quote from: Starz on Dec 18, 2010, 03:13 AM
The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.
The biggest show they ever did in the UK was at London Arena on the Back to School tour.
Quote from: from_musings on May 14, 2011, 11:35 AM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 20, 2010, 05:52 PM
i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good,
According to Chino - s/t is close to platinum,something he said in aug 2010 to altpress.
(http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/ (http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/))
Alt.press: "Isn't White Pony the last Deftones record to go platinum?"
Chino: "Yeah, I think it is. Actually, I think the self-titled record is close to going platinum. I never got a platinum record for it. The only platinum plaques that I have are Adrenaline and White Pony."
@Hidalgo "close to platinum" isn't 600.000 copies, i'd say "close" is around 800.000- 900.000 copies
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 07:25 PM
where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then
well either it is possible or your homemade lists sucks :)
Music sale rewards vary from country to country. This is taken from the BPI website for albums released in the UK:
Singles: Silver 200,000; Gold 400,000; Platinum 600,000
Albums: Silver 60,000; Gold 100,000; Platinum 300,000
Music DVD: Gold 25,000; Platinum 50,000
If I remember correctly from Uni, to go platinum in the US, you need to see 1 million records.
um..ok thanks, but what's your point? we've only talked about american platinum, 1million records
Quote from: from_musings on May 14, 2011, 11:35 AM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 20, 2010, 05:52 PM
i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good,
According to Chino - s/t is close to platinum,something he said in aug 2010 to altpress.
(http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/ (http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/))
Alt.press: "Isn't White Pony the last Deftones record to go platinum?"
Chino: "Yeah, I think it is. Actually, I think the self-titled record is close to going platinum. I never got a platinum record for it. The only platinum plaques that I have are Adrenaline and White Pony."
@Hidalgo "close to platinum" isn't 600.000 copies, i'd say "close" is around 800.000- 900.000 copies
Quote from: Hidalgo on Dec 21, 2010, 07:25 PM
where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then
well either it is possible or your homemade lists sucks :)
They're more popular than ever right now I think. "new kids" and old fans resurrected from the dead of today's rubbish might have brought the # way up I would think? Idk, than again the internet like others r saying...... I know I've bought it 2 more times since 2003 because someone wanted it more than I did, lol
Quote from: UrZ* on Dec 22, 2010, 10:40 PM
yeah hidalgo is pretty right about that..
guess he weren't ^ ^ surley chino has access to their own record sales when he says s/t is close to platinum
yEa FuCk yOu cHoNgo yOu dOnT bE kNoWiN hOw MaNy aLbuMz yOu bE sElLin.
(http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Stephen_Carpenter.jpg/220px-Stephen_Carpenter.jpg)
if you play in a band and make a living out of it, I think you keep a fairly good eye on how many records you sell. chino and deftones are guaranteed to find out if one of their records are approaching platinum, probably from someone in their crew who acts as a link to their label. it would be funny if chino got that st platinum info from the label and then talked to an average fan who says "no chino, you're wrong .. fact is that an unknown guy posted an unknown list which looks like shit on the internet 4 years ago...i don't know where it comes from, but it was posted in 2007 on a shit-page on the internet ... and i've been calculating a bit on the those numbers and your fresh info you got from the record label does not match my calculations. sorry chino".
and chino would go "fuck :( I knew it was too good to be true. thanks for giving me these legit numbers you've got though, i'll tell the label and others in the band :( :( "
it seems some st haters doesn't like st and then go looking for reasons that that would be fact according to the world.if st sells poorly, then it's an argument they would use. if it later turns out that the album sold well, well then, sales is no longer an argument. if chino says he doesn't like the album, then it's an argument they would use, and then chino is a good fucking source to use as objective facts. but as soon chino says something that goes against their predetermined view (that st is close to platinum) then he's just dumb old confused chino who aren't even a die hard of his own band. well if he's not a die hard of his band, what the fuck does he know about if st is good or bad
As someone who worked at a record store for 6 years that reported to soundscan, I wouldn't necessarily trust their methods. A lot of store "self reporting" was done that really messed with the numbers for example:
An artist does a record release instore signing, tons of CDs are sold so the scanned numbers are high, the owner of the store knows this and artificially inflates the scans to make it look like the album sold more. While I would never accuse a band of doing this, record industry people are notorious for doing anything they can to artificially inflate the numbers.
Live event data and search engine metrics would be a much more efficient way to track the Deftones popularity in 2011.
ST is great. Who gives a fuck. The economy is different here in the u.s., the internet has taken over, and there aren't a "ton" of 2003 era fans still into them enough to buy a fresh copy if they needed one. The record is great, don't care if I'm the only person who bought it or loves it still. Some of their best work lies there IMO. Some peeps here even hated it before and confess it is a good one. So what. They tour and that is good enough for me. And apparantly for them as well.
Well if it means anything Around the Fur was certified Platinum this month.
Deftones are a popular band but just not so mainstream (and by mainstream i say Mtv/radio attention) now like they were in their beginnings, and im glad its that away.
Just because their songs in youtube dont have like 10 million views doesn't mean they arent popular anymore.
Quote from: from_musings on May 26, 2011, 11:40 AM
it seems some st haters doesn't like st and then go looking for reasons that that would be fact according to the world.if st sells poorly, then it's an argument they would use. if it later turns out that the album sold well, well then, sales is no longer an argument. if chino says he doesn't like the album, then it's an argument they would use, and then chino is a good fucking source to use as objective facts. but as soon chino says something that goes against their predetermined view (that st is close to platinum) then he's just dumb old confused chino who aren't even a die hard of his own band. well if he's not a die hard of his band, what the fuck does he know about if st is good or bad
Your post is really hard to follow, none of the band have really confessed a liking to ST because of the recording process, it all got mixed together in a haphazard fashion. as for chino his vocals were not very good (with the exception of hexagram) and that is proabably a large reason for him not liking it. It's an ok record that comes into its own if you're depressed, none of the track are easy going.
None?
i cant think of anything positive they've said about it outside of the promo where they obviously had to try and sell it. i could be wrong but hey
Deftones Diamond Eyes is a great Record....Not the best mind you, Royal, Prince, 976...solid
Yea, I agree DEFTONES !!!
Does anyone know the latest sales figures for Diamond Eyes.
What are the chances of it ever going gold?
It's a crime that in today's world only acts like Gaga go platinum anymore - It's an absolute crime that an album of Diamond Eyes quality probably won't ever go platinum!