Sorry if this thread has been done, but I couldn't find a good answer doing a search.
Can anyone break down the guitar tuning and number of strings used on each album, (or each song if they are different)?
I think I saw some video interview with Stef where he did this himself, talking about the tuning getting lower on each album.
Does he use the same tuning through an entire album, or switch it up between songs?
Is it something like:
Adrenaline = 6 string / Standard
Around the Fur = 6 string / Drop D
White Pony = 6 string / Drop C?
After this? I know he is using 8 strings now. Thanks!
I think there're a couple drop D songs on Adrenaline. Bored is one of them.
i think all of adrenaline is standard E...
after WP it's
S/T - 7 string standard tuning GCFEBGC
SNW - 7 string (possibly same as SNW)
DE - 8 string (i think standard, FBEADGBE)
i'm not positive on SNW or DE though but i think that's right
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on May 17, 2010, 01:02 AM
I think there're a couple drop D songs on Adrenaline. Bored is one of them.
Adrenaline is all Standard. Its easier to play bored in drop D. But the way stef plays it is in standard.
S/T Is 7-String tuned G#,C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#.
SNW is tuned the same as S/T i think maybe a half step lower.
Quote from: deftones86 on May 17, 2010, 01:57 AM
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on May 17, 2010, 01:02 AM
I think there're a couple drop D songs on Adrenaline. Bored is one of them.
Adrenaline is all Standard. Its easier to play bored in drop D. But the way stef plays it is in standard.
S/T Is 7-String tuned G#,C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#.
SNW is tuned the same as S/T i think maybe a half step lower.
yeah this is right... and i'm pretty sure SNW is half step lower, on each string
check it at deftonesworld.com (or ultimate-guitar) and it's pretty explained from Adrenaline to S/T
Adrenaline: EADGBe, only Lifter is in DADGBe, and Bored can be played also like this, but Stefs plays it in Standard E
Around the Fur: C# G# C# F# A# D#
White Pony: CGCFAD
Deftones: G# C# F# B E G# C#
Saturday Night Wrist: F# C# F# B E G# C# and some songs it's possible they play in G# C# F# B E G# C#
Diamond Eyes: Stef said he is playing in E (octave lower) or this:
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 17, 2010, 01:48 AM
DE - 8 string (i think standard, FBEADGBE)
not sure at all on DE..
Adrenaline - 6 string standard (E A D G B E). The chords in Bored would be extremely dificult to play in a drop tuning as the chords would run across five frets instead of 3. This album is the hardest to play for me as some songs are very fast and difficult to play in standard tuning (Nosebleed, Root, Engine Number 9). Engine Number 9 is one of the hardest Deftones songs to play. Also, even though it is in the highest tuning, Adrenaline is one of the heaviest sounding albums....pretty amazing how Stef made this album sound with just plain standard tuning.
Around the Fur - 6 string drop Db (1/2 step down from drop D) (Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb). Except for Dai the Flu which is 6 string standard Eb (1/2 step down from standard) (Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb)
White Pony - 6 string drop C (1 whole step down from drop D) (C G C F A D)
I don't have as much experience on the last 3 albums as the first 3, but here is what I know:
Deftones - 7 string standard Ab (One and one half steps down from standard) (Ab Db Gb B E Ab Db). Needles and Pins is played on a 5 string bass, not sure what the tuning is but I think the lowest string is F#/Gb.
Saturday Night Wrist - 7 string drop Gb/F# (One and one half steps down from Drop A) (Gb Db Gb B E Ab Db). Same tuning as Deftones except drop the lowest string to Gb/F#......the lowest 7th string actually ends up being the same note as the 8th string on Diamond Eyes.
Diamond Eyes - 8 string standard (F# B E A D G B E)
So, three albums are in a standard tuning, and three albums are in a drop tuning.
Also, while on tour, Stef doesn't use 6 strings anymore but will use a 7 string for all Adrenaline, Around the Fur, and White Pony songs and will just tune the extra highest pitch string the same as the 6th string.
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 03:55 AM
Adrenaline - 6 string standard (E A D G B E). The chords in Bored would be extremely dificult to play in a drop tuning as the chords would run across five frets instead of 3. This album is the hardest to play for me as some songs are very fast and difficult to play in standard tuning (Nosebleed, Root, Engine Number 9). Engine Number 9 is one of the hardest Deftones songs to play. Also, even though it is in the highest tuning, Adrenaline is one of the heaviest sounding albums....pretty amazing how Stef made this album sound with just plain standard tuning.
ha dude the adrenaline shit is easy... just keep practicing. engine no. 9 is one of my fav's to play and ain't hard at all.. now that's not what i thought years ago, but... practice playing chords real fast just down strumming and palm muting. because that's the how the verse for eno9 is.. i LOVE playing nosebleed as well... when you nail these songs, it's really fun to play them on a stack just cranked out, especially if you have a back track of the drums and bass and shit
I used to put adrenaline on and start playing and if i fucked up id start over. I did that for all the albums except SNW and DE obviously. But thats pretty much how i learned guitar.
adrenaline is awesome. it's my favorite guitar work from Stef on any of their albums by far, the sound of the guitar anf his creativity. i kinda wish he's just use a standard tuned 6 string again, cause he tore it up on adrenaline
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 03:55 AM
Whitefur, I'm going to take your info and add to it! ;)
Adrenaline - 6 string standard (
E A D G B E) add the extra
E for 7 string.
Lifter isn't in Drop D either, because whilst your playing the root notes in the verse riff, you're palm muting the low E string whilst doing it. Teething is also in standard tuning.
Around the Fur - 6 string drop
C# (
1/2 step down from drop D)/(Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb) (C# A# C# G# B# E#) add an extra
E# for 7 string.
Dai the Flu which is 6 string standard
E# (1/2 step down from standard) (E# A# D# G# B# E#) once again add the
E# for 7 string if you're using one.
Crenshaw, Can't Even Breathe are Drop C# also.White Pony - 6 string drop
C (1 whole step down from drop D) (C G C F A D) add an extra
D for 7 string.
Deftones - 7 string
standard G# (One and one half steps down from standard) (G# C# F# B E G# C#)/(Ab Db Gb B E Ab Db). Chino plays in
Drop C# for
Minerva and
Battle-Axe, whilst playing in
standard G# for Deathblow (he uses one of Stefs guitars for that live, you can find a video of it on YouTube)
Needles and Pins is played on a
5 string bass, tuning is (C#, F#, B, E, D#) and is played on the F#, B, E strings further up the neck, watch Stef playing it here to figure it out Deftones-Needles And Pins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZpu6fGni5g#) Saturday Night Wrist - 7 string
drop F# (One and one half steps down from Drop A#) (F# C# F# B E A# D#)/(Gb Db Gb B E Ab Db). Same tuning as Deftones except drop the lowest string to
F#,
Chino also plays in Drop C# for Beware, Combat, Cherry Waves and Drop C for RiviereDiamond Eyes - 8 string standard
(F# B E A D G B E)/(Gb B E A D G B E) whilst Chino plays in Drop C for Beauty School, Royal, 976-EVIL and Sextape.My advice would be to get a
Line 6 POD (Stef has a rack mounted version in his set up and practically every decent band uses one) as it has a perfect
Digital Tuner and displays tunings in the
Db, Gb, Ab fashion it'll help you get all these tunings spot on.
I've listed them as the
C#, G#, F# fashion aswell because I think it's easier when it comes to tabs, as a lot of them are labelled in this way online.
Thanks for filling in the gaps subliminal. The only thing is that I think Deftones is in standard Ab, not A#......A# would only be a half step down and Ab would be one and one half down.
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 12:41 PM
Thanks for filling in the gaps subliminal. The only thing is that I think Deftones is in standard Ab, not A#......A# would only be a half step down and Ab would be one and one half down.
Ahh shit, you're right, I didn't mean to put A#
I've corrected it now :D
Here it is in simple terms.
Adrenaline - (
E A D G B E) - Add an extra
E for 7 string.
Around The Fur -
(Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb) -
(C# A# C# G# B# E#) add extra
Eb/
E# for 7 string.
White Pony -
(C G C F A D) add extra
D for 7 string.
Deftones -
(Ab Db Gb B E Ab Db) -
(G# C# F# B E G# C#)Saturday Night Wrist -
(Gb Db Gb B E Ab Db) -
(F# C# F# B E A# D#)Diamond Eyes -
(Gb B E A D G B E) -
(F# B E A D G B E)
Quote from: Hidalgo on May 17, 2010, 05:53 AM
Stef i kinda wish he's just use a standard tuned 6 string again, cause he tore it up on adrenaline
and i wish frank would play keytar
This is a big help. Thanks everybody.
bored and engine nº9 are very easy in guitar.
7words bass line is fucking great
so what are everyone's toughest songs to play??
mine is Engine No. 9, and then the intro to Feiticeira.
Does anyone know if Dai the Flu and Needles and Pins are the only two songs that use a tuning that is different from what the rest of their respective albums use?? Do Diamond Eyes and SNW use the same tuning throughout the entire album?
When i was first learning Feiticeria that song kicked my ass for some reason.
I think the hardest Deftones song for me to play is.. Rats, Rats, Rats it just kills my hands, they aren't big enough to grasp higher up on the neck for long periods of time and it's where most of the riffs are based!
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 04:26 PM
so what are everyone's toughest songs to play??
mine is Engine No. 9, and then the intro to Feiticeira.
Does anyone know if Dai the Flu and Needles and Pins are the only two songs that use a tuning that is different from what the rest of their respective albums use?? Do Diamond Eyes and SNW use the same tuning throughout the entire album?
I'm not claiming to know it all, but it appears to be that Stef has a core tuning and just mimicks or plays whatever needs to be played in HIS tuning, what Chino is playing in a completely different tuning.
Then the B-Sides are the only songs Stef switches up the tunings and stuff himself.
I forgot, Chino plays in Drop D for Hole In The Earth.
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 04:26 PM
so what are everyone's toughest songs to play??
mine is Engine No. 9, and then the intro to Feiticeira.
Does anyone know if Dai the Flu and Needles and Pins are the only two songs that use a tuning that is different from what the rest of their respective albums use?? Do Diamond Eyes and SNW use the same tuning throughout the entire album?
intro to feiteceira is wayyyyy easier than i think people think it is... it's just harmonics over the 9th fret, just a little variation on which strings on that fret. listen to the album to get it down... i seriously injured my hand but i'll see if i can't put a vid up..
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 17, 2010, 11:23 PM
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 04:26 PM
so what are everyone's toughest songs to play??
mine is Engine No. 9, and then the intro to Feiticeira.
Does anyone know if Dai the Flu and Needles and Pins are the only two songs that use a tuning that is different from what the rest of their respective albums use?? Do Diamond Eyes and SNW use the same tuning throughout the entire album?
intro to feiteceira is wayyyyy easier than i think people think it is... it's just harmonics over the 9th fret, just a little variation on which strings on that fret. listen to the album to get it down... i seriously injured my hand but i'll see if i can't put a vid up..
i think i got it now, but i would like to see you play it though. lots of the tabs i was finding were adding harmonics on the 10th fret too but i don't think that is right. it's all on the 9th fret and the higher harmonic is still on the 9th fret. what was goofing me up was the open strings and then followed by the bar chord on the 8th fret before the harmonics.
uploadin it
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 11:47 PM
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 17, 2010, 11:23 PM
Quote from: whitefur on May 17, 2010, 04:26 PM
so what are everyone's toughest songs to play??
mine is Engine No. 9, and then the intro to Feiticeira.
Does anyone know if Dai the Flu and Needles and Pins are the only two songs that use a tuning that is different from what the rest of their respective albums use?? Do Diamond Eyes and SNW use the same tuning throughout the entire album?
intro to feiteceira is wayyyyy easier than i think people think it is... it's just harmonics over the 9th fret, just a little variation on which strings on that fret. listen to the album to get it down... i seriously injured my hand but i'll see if i can't put a vid up..
i think i got it now, but i would like to see you play it though. lots of the tabs i was finding were adding harmonics on the 10th fret too but i don't think that is right. it's all on the 9th fret and the higher harmonic is still on the 9th fret. what was goofing me up was the open strings and then followed by the bar chord on the 8th fret before the harmonics.
i dont think you play anything on the 8th fret in the intro...
Feiticeira - Deftones cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEFdNV0oK8#)
i play it how this guy plays it. just before he hits the harmonics and after he does the 4th fret stuff, he hits the open chord followed by the 8th fret bar chord.
wow.. hmm.. that actually seems a bit right... i was just doing the harmonics for that part without the 8th fret, but listening to that sounds right.. i gotta start doing that... ha i won't even bother uploadin the video now haha
edit: he's not strumming the rest of the song right, though.. its down and up strum, not all down... and actually when he's doing the shit on the 4th fret in the intro after the harmonic part, i slide over to the 5th and back to the forth instead of how he's doing 4th fret and open...
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 18, 2010, 12:37 AM
ha i won't even bother uploadin the video now haha
oh come on!!
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 18, 2010, 12:37 AMedit: he's not strumming the rest of the song right, though.. its down and up strum, not all down... and actually when he's doing the shit on the 4th fret in the intro after the harmonic part, i slide over to the 5th and back to the forth instead of how he's doing 4th fret and open...
yeah i do the up down strumming. i use to do the 4th to the 5th fret thing, but i saw a video of stef and it looked he did the 4th to open like this guy does but that was awhile ago so not sure. this guy has a lot of good Deftones covers. he had the whole diamond eyes covered before the official album release.
haha damn dude i already cancelled the upload it was takin fuckin FOREVER haha sorry bro (it was only like 3 minutes but it was 350MB)... it was just like his on the intro except for what i said.. hmm. ill check out his DE covers.. he usin a 6 7 or 8 string?
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 18, 2010, 01:11 AMhe usin a 6 7 or 8 string?
he uses a 7 string tuned to standard F# (F# B E A D G B)
Quote from: Subliminal on May 17, 2010, 05:32 PM
I forgot, Chino plays in Drop D for Hole In The Earth.
yeah, i was about to say that
Anyone has guitar tabs of diamond eyes's songs play by Chino in Drop C ( Sex tape, Royal, Beauty School)??
and anyone know if i can still play the other diamond eyes's songs in a regular 6 strings guitar, if i can in which tunning??
Quote from: Felipe on May 19, 2010, 06:29 AM
Anyone has guitar tabs of diamond eyes's songs play by Chino in Drop C ( Sex tape, Royal, Beauty School)??
and anyone know if i can still play the other diamond eyes's songs in a regular 6 strings guitar, if i can in which tunning??
Im going to tab out sextape and royal when i find the time (probably this weekend). Also i dont think you will be able to pull off steph's parts with a 6. unless you want it to sound like shit. probably need at least a 7. And every guitar player should own a 7-string. Its like switching hands when you masterbate, a little awkward at first but the change feels nice :D
Quote from: deftones86
every guitar player should own a 7-string. Its like switching hands when you masterbate, a little awkward at first but the change feels nice :D
these are the words!
Quote from: whitefur on May 18, 2010, 12:45 AM
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 18, 2010, 12:37 AM
ha i won't even bother uploadin the video now haha
oh come on!!
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 18, 2010, 12:37 AMedit: he's not strumming the rest of the song right, though.. its down and up strum, not all down... and actually when he's doing the shit on the 4th fret in the intro after the harmonic part, i slide over to the 5th and back to the forth instead of how he's doing 4th fret and open...
yeah i do the up down strumming. i use to do the 4th to the 5th fret thing, but i saw a video of stef and it looked he did the 4th to open like this guy does but that was awhile ago so not sure. this guy has a lot of good Deftones covers. he had the whole diamond eyes covered before the official album release.
Here's how I play it, if it helps..and it's on the 9th fret, I have no fret markers on my KKV so..
Feiticeira Intro Riff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMROijRDwJU#)
Quote from: deftones86 on May 19, 2010, 07:01 AM
Quote from: Felipe on May 19, 2010, 06:29 AM
Anyone has guitar tabs of diamond eyes's songs play by Chino in Drop C ( Sex tape, Royal, Beauty School)??
and anyone know if i can still play the other diamond eyes's songs in a regular 6 strings guitar, if i can in which tunning??
Im going to tab out sextape and royal when i find the time (probably this weekend). Also i dont think you will be able to pull off steph's parts with a 6. unless you want it to sound like shit. probably need at least a 7. And every guitar player should own a 7-string. Its like switching hands when you masterbate, a little awkward at first but the change feels nice :D
And if you have big hands, they're perfect!
Quote from: Felipe on May 19, 2010, 06:29 AM
Anyone has guitar tabs of diamond eyes's songs play by Chino in Drop C ( Sex tape, Royal, Beauty School)??
and anyone know if i can still play the other diamond eyes's songs in a regular 6 strings guitar, if i can in which tunning??
The only songs you'll have trouble playing are Diamond Eyes, CMND/CTRL and You've Seen The Butcher because of the low F# riffs, but that's about it. You could always just play along with them higher up the neck, on high notes/octaves. Or alternatively get an 8 string.. which is what I need to do!! haha
But other than that, you can play all the others without sounding like crap :D
i'll never get an 8 string.. i mean i may some day but my hands are small enough that i can barely play a 7. i still don't have a 7 string but i'd like to get one soon
that's awesome subliminal!!
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 19, 2010, 10:40 PM
i'll never get an 8 string.. i mean i may some day but my hands are small enough that i can barely play a 7. i still don't have a 7 string but i'd like to get one soon
someday i want an 8 string....but that's only because of Meshuggah. Stef doesn't utitlize the 8 string enough on DE. Like subliminal said, the 8 string is only needed for like 3 songs...but it would be nice to have one to play that album on though! And we'll see what Eros or their next album has to offer as far as 8 strings goes. Last night I strung my 7 string with the largest 6 strings from a 7 string set plus an extra .070 Ernie Ball for the F# 8th string.....that thing is meaty!!!! Now the string slack is much better for SNW and DE......and ST for that matter.
Quote from: whitefur on May 19, 2010, 11:03 PM
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on May 19, 2010, 10:40 PM
i'll never get an 8 string.. i mean i may some day but my hands are small enough that i can barely play a 7. i still don't have a 7 string but i'd like to get one soon
someday i want an 8 string....but that's only because of Meshuggah. Stef doesn't utitlize the 8 string enough on DE. Like subliminal said, the 8 string is only needed for like 3 songs...but it would be nice to have one to play that album on though! And we'll see what Eros or their next album has to offer as far as 8 strings goes. Last night I strung my 7 string with the largest 6 strings from a 7 string set plus an extra .070 Ernie Ball for the F# 8th string.....that thing is meaty!!!! Now the string slack is much better for SNW and DE......and ST for that matter.
Haha, I did the same, I bought a 7 string set of strings by ernie ball, got rid the two high strings, stringed up the 6 strings and then bought a 58' for the 7th string, (copied the gauges of Stefs standard 8 string set up) It sounds sick, but it's lacking the dyanmic and beefy baritone noise of an 8 string. And obviously the 8 string holds the tuning perfectly.
Eros I reckon is heavily influenced by the 8 string and going by Stefs comment about being influenced by Timbaland, I think a lot of CMND/CTRLs are gonna be on it! (which is allll goood!) but that's just speculation on my part :)
So now I can play Diamond Eyes, CMND/CTRL etc. I've got a jam/cover me and my mate did of CMND actually, should really get it uploaded!
Quote from: whitefur on May 19, 2010, 10:57 PM
that's awesome subliminal!!
Thanks man, hope it helped? you just bar the 3 strings and ring the harmonic on those out the first time, then the rest you add the 4th strings' harmonic along with it and hey presto! :D
hey subliminal you did it very good, the only thing i'm not sure is the part 0:05 - 0:07... 0:19, i mean the parts played on that time.. i play it quite different but don't know...
btw... i want to get a 7 string guitar... not really sure if i want an 8 strings, but a 7 string of course! hope i'll be getting this this year 8)
Quote from: deftones86 on May 19, 2010, 07:01 AM
Quote from: Felipe on May 19, 2010, 06:29 AM
Anyone has guitar tabs of diamond eyes's songs play by Chino in Drop C ( Sex tape, Royal, Beauty School)??
and anyone know if i can still play the other diamond eyes's songs in a regular 6 strings guitar, if i can in which tunning??
Im going to tab out sextape and royal when i find the time (probably this weekend). Also i dont think you will be able to pull off steph's parts with a 6. unless you want it to sound like shit. probably need at least a 7. And every guitar player should own a 7-string. Its like switching hands when you masterbate, a little awkward at first but the change feels nice :D
hahahaha, ok thanks
Quote from: defTHE1s on May 20, 2010, 12:49 AM
hey subliminal you did it very good, the only thing i'm not sure is the part 0:05 - 0:07... 0:19, i mean the parts played on that time.. i play it quite different but don't know...
btw... i want to get a 7 string guitar... not really sure if i want an 8 strings, but a 7 string of course! hope i'll be getting this this year 8)
Whatever way is best for you man! :)
Songs that kicked my ass and toughest to learn for me (as far as Deftones songs go):
Root - chorus. what is the second chord in the chorus, just all open strings??
Engine No 9 - chords and notes are easy, but the speed and playing in standard tuning was tough
Around the Fur - had been playing the verse wrong forever
Dai the Flu - still not sure if i'm playing that one chord right in the chorus
Feiticeira - this one shows stef's creative side. one of my favorite songs
Korea - not sure if i'm playing those two chords right
One of my favorite songs to play recently is Kimdracula!!
Does somebody know if Mascara is played in Standard Eb? Or is it played in Drop C# like the rest of ATF?
by the way: Is there no thread for song discussion or a guitar/tab-related thread? Would be cool to have those
Quote from: ltdef on May 25, 2010, 05:28 PM
Does somebody know if Mascara is played in Standard Eb? Or is it played in Drop C# like the rest of ATF?
by the way: Is there no thread for song discussion or a guitar/tab-related thread? Would be cool to have those
I think mascara is played in Eb yeah, it's the exception on the album.
Quote from: raynor on May 26, 2010, 07:04 AM
Quote from: ltdef on May 25, 2010, 05:28 PM
Does somebody know if Mascara is played in Standard Eb? Or is it played in Drop C# like the rest of ATF?
by the way: Is there no thread for song discussion or a guitar/tab-related thread? Would be cool to have those
I think mascara is played in Eb yeah, it's the exception on the album.
along with Dai the Flu
Quote from: ltdef on May 25, 2010, 05:28 PM
by the way: Is there no thread for song discussion or a guitar/tab-related thread? Would be cool to have those
let's say it is, at least for Deftones songs
Stephen Carpenter's Live Rig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=perc4zPN0Fw#)
I finally found it again. Stef breaks down the tuning here.