Poll
Question:
How many units will be sold Week #1
Option 1: 20,000 or less
votes: 2
Option 2: 40,000 or less
votes: 1
Option 3: 60,000 or less
votes: 9
Option 4: 80,000 or less
votes: 10
Option 5: 100,000 or less
votes: 14
Option 6: 125,000 or less
votes: 8
Option 7: 150,000 or less
votes: 5
Option 8: over 150,000
votes: 11
After seeing the promising i tunes and amazon chart positions over the past few days.
I was wondering how many copies of Diamond Eyes will sell in it's first week on the charts. Feel free to render a guess at a US Billboard Chart position as well. Curious what the European charts will do, any thoughts?
Bullet for my Valentines latest charted at #3 with 71,000 units sold. I hope the "Tones" can top that but who knows?
I think its a top 20 album Maybe top 10. The next single choice will be critical though as far as album sales go. SNW sales could have been saved i think if mein wasnt the last single.
Sextape will be next single no doubt about it.
Quote from: deftones86 on May 05, 2010, 10:12 PM
I think its a top 20 album Maybe top 10. The next single choice will be critical though as far as album sales go. SNW sales could have been saved i think if mein wasnt the last single.
Agreed about SNW.
To be completely honest I was really worried about this release. I saw Mudvayne's latest chart at #50 week one and I am convinced that band is on the way out. I doubt they will release another album.
Diamond Eyes is such a revelation musically and spiritually for the band. I hope they are rewarded with a top 10 finish week #1
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if this is the projected sales , im speechless, should be more
what if things didnt happen and eros came out instead.....?
Eros wouldn've been even less
Good find Deftjess. I hope it is more than that, I voted 80,000.
Good question about Eros vs Diamond Eyes. Not sure myself.
Quote from: deftjess on May 06, 2010, 12:20 AM
Eros wouldnt be even less
thats what i mean i have the feeling if chi never got hurt and eros was released as planned.... suppose it all depends on how much you really care about sales and all that vs how much you just really like the songs on de and seeing them live
I don't care about sales because the thought of losing "my" band to the masses is not appealing.
At the same time if a record does not sell then the band or the label is less inclined to continue. I don't think the tones would just quit but if they don't have a strong fan base, like most bands they would fold or find another outlet for their Art.
i can't even imagine SNW outselling DE.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 06, 2010, 12:37 AM
i can't even imagine SNW outselling DE.
Me either. There's no way DE will do worse than SNW first week... not with the promotion and the album itself being as awesome as it is.
Quote from: iceache on May 06, 2010, 01:04 AM
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 06, 2010, 12:37 AM
i can't even imagine SNW outselling DE.
Me either. There's no way DE will do worse than SNW first week... not with the promotion and the album itself being as awesome as it is.
Both Albums leaked. It seems SNW leaked a week or two before the release where are DE leaked well before the release. Could this be a factor if DE falls short?
Quote from: iceache on May 06, 2010, 01:04 AM
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 06, 2010, 12:37 AM
i can't even imagine SNW outselling DE.
Me either. There's no way DE will do worse than SNW first week... not with the promotion and the album itself being as awesome as it is.
watch, it won't even come close to SNW first week
Quote from: Hidalgo on May 06, 2010, 03:36 AM
Quote from: iceache on May 06, 2010, 01:04 AM
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 06, 2010, 12:37 AM
i can't even imagine SNW outselling DE.
Me either. There's no way DE will do worse than SNW first week... not with the promotion and the album itself being as awesome as it is.
watch, it won't even come close to SNW first week
What do you mean? Close as in "sell as much Week 1 as SNW?"
Congrats on 3200 by the way.
are we talking TOTAL copies sold? if so then i would imagine DE beating out SNW, however, i can see the itunes downloads negatively affecting sales of the physical copies.
by "TOTAL" i mean the downloads AND cd's combined, obviously.
there was pretty much only online advertising for this record, with the exception of the very recent addition of the Diamond Eyes single to some(many?) radio stations.
i wouldn't be surprised if the itunes downloads outsell the cds though i would personally be a bit dissapointed if that was the case.....
It's a Beautiful Ride ......Kids.
It'll sell a good 100,000 I reckon. I mean if Lamb of God and Slipknot can reach the top of the billboard, why can't Deftones? sounds like Godsmack might steal it from them though.
Quote from: Starz on May 05, 2010, 10:21 PM
Sextape will be next single no doubt about it.
You may be right, it's probably the most loved by the band right now (well, according to interviews). Personally, it's one of my fav on the album, but I don't find it very representative of their work. Not that Mein was! ;)
Quote from: Subliminal on May 06, 2010, 11:12 AM
It'll sell a good 100,000 I reckon. I mean if Lamb of God and Slipknot can reach the top of the billboard, why can't Deftones? sounds like Godsmack might steal it from them though.
and that new Godsmack is shit. i was really disappointed by that but that's for another forum.
Quote from: anguria on May 06, 2010, 01:03 PM
Quote from: Starz on May 05, 2010, 10:21 PM
Sextape will be next single no doubt about it.
You may be right, it's probably the most loved by the band right now (well, according to interviews). Personally, it's one of my fav on the album, but I don't find it very representative of their work. Not that Mein was! ;)
Actually, I think it's very representable of CHINO's work. If Stephen wasn't in the band then the whole album would sound like Sextape. I think Eros will sound a lot like Sextape too. More calmer, more experimental and fucked up.
Quote from: Starz on May 06, 2010, 02:28 PM
I think Eros will sound a lot like Sextape too. More calmer, more experimental and fucked up.
hmm.. i dont know... chino said in a kerrang article ""The songs are definitely weird, which is a breath of fresh air to me.I haven't been playing guitar on these new songs so Steph [Carpenter] has taken up the helm and that's worked out really well"
and according to the eros clips it sounds a lot of steph,but then again.. thats all they were..just short clips.'cept for melanie.
Quote from: janie13 on May 06, 2010, 01:26 PM
and that new Godsmack is shit.
gee thanks for letting me know.i was planning on ordering 50 cd's of the new record,10 vinyl versions of it and the t-shirt.
but after reading this i must reconsider
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 06, 2010, 02:49 PM
hmm.. i dont know... chino said in a kerrang article ""The songs are definitely weird, which is a breath of fresh air to me.I haven't been playing guitar on these new songs so Steph [Carpenter] has taken up the helm and that's worked out really well"
and according to the eros clips it sounds a lot of steph,but then again.. thats all they were..just short clips.'cept for melanie.
I remeber I read somewhere Chino said that everytime there's an experimental/"love" song (I don't remember the wors he used) people think it has to be him, but sometimes it's Stef. Maybe Stef only pretends to be a tough metal guy but deep inside he has a sweet tooth for slow songs! :)
Quote from: anguria on May 06, 2010, 03:53 PM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 06, 2010, 02:49 PM
hmm.. i dont know... chino said in a kerrang article ""The songs are definitely weird, which is a breath of fresh air to me.I haven't been playing guitar on these new songs so Steph [Carpenter] has taken up the helm and that's worked out really well"
and according to the eros clips it sounds a lot of steph,but then again.. thats all they were..just short clips.'cept for melanie.
I remeber I read somewhere Chino said that everytime there's an experimental/"love" song (I don't remember the wors he used) people think it has to be him, but sometimes it's Stef. Maybe Stef only pretends to be a tough metal guy but deep inside he has a sweet tooth for slow songs! :)
starz said he thought lot of eros songs would sound like sextape, well sextape sounds like a typical chino song, just like digital bath and riviere. thats does NOT mean stephen arent into slow soft stuff at all its just his shit are different
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 06, 2010, 03:59 PM
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starz said he thought lot of eros songs would sound like sextape, well sextape sounds like a typical chino song, just like digital bath and riviere. thats does NOT mean stephen arent into slow soft stuff at all its just his shit are different
I agree, it could be a Team Sleep song.
Godsmack sucks... shit all sounds the same ! I'm happy being #2 behind them. We all know deep down who really deserves it.
I agree that sextape should be the next single, but I think they need to hold it until about mid June.
Sextape or Beauty School. ;D I think both those could blow up the radio.
To be honest, it was quite unexpected for me to se chino play on Royal, i didn't think that was part of his input.
any1 post this yet? ALTERNATIVE NATIONAL AIRPLAY http://secure.randr.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=6 (http://secure.randr.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=6) call your local radio station and im sure the # will go ^
Quote from: wax on May 07, 2010, 12:48 AM
any1 post this yet? ALTERNATIVE NATIONAL AIRPLAY http://secure.randr.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=6 (http://secure.randr.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=6) call your local radio station and im sure the # will go ^
Good tip Wax.
I noticed that Diamond Eyes is still holding steady at #2 today.
Anyone else see the godsmack ads on here? what the fuck is the deal with godsmack?
Quote from: Starz on May 06, 2010, 02:28 PM
Quote from: anguria on May 06, 2010, 01:03 PM
Quote from: Starz on May 05, 2010, 10:21 PM
Sextape will be next single no doubt about it.
You may be right, it's probably the most loved by the band right now (well, according to interviews). Personally, it's one of my fav on the album, but I don't find it very representative of their work. Not that Mein was! ;)
Actually, I think it's very representable of CHINO's work. If Stephen wasn't in the band then the whole album would sound like Sextape. I think Eros will sound a lot like Sextape too. More calmer, more experimental and fucked up.
I reckon Chino come up with both intro's though, since he begins both songs.
But then saying that, if he played on Royal.. who came up with that monster of a riff? ;)
Quote from: Deftones-argentina on May 06, 2010, 11:16 PM
To be honest, it was quite unexpected for me to se chino play on Royal, i didn't think that was part of his input.
I was shocked too, but I thought it was fucking awesome.
I think the sales are quite high. When to a big mediastore today (Media Markt) and Diamond Eyes was sold out. Felt fucked and happy at the same time...
Then went to www.cdwow.nl (http://www.cdwow.nl) for a copy and saw Diamond Eyes is at #6 of the top 100 http://www.cdwow.nl/music/0/0/top-100 (http://www.cdwow.nl/music/0/0/top-100).
Glad the album sells, however, still hope Deftones will not become a famous band, this wont improve the next albums I think, kinda like the underground atmosphere (...as far as you can call it like that...).
The concert in Amsterdam is sold out, fuck, wanted to get an extra ticket for my girl.
Diamond Eyes has slid to #5 on itunes today.
I still cannot find anything solid on the Billboard numbers. I guess we wait till next week.
Deftones do quite well for being a Underground band. They are very popular for getting no air time!
Quote from: gunsrazorsknives on May 10, 2010, 09:51 PM
Deftones do quite well for being a Underground band. They are very popular for getting no air time!
if i recall Adrenalinme sold 200,000 copies by word of mouth alone.i dunno i could be wrong but remember reading that somewhere or another
It makes me sad they don't sell millions of copies. They're the best band in the world.
deftones ARE #1
in like 20 countries besides the US. mfers love them in Chile.
Dunno if this has been posted already: UK Top 40 albums, #26 new entry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums/)
^ not bad for a Deftones album, better than i expected
^ My thoughts exactly, and who knows, might even move up?
looked like it sold 60,596 (well more than i thought it would) & it's like #7
Where did you find this Hidalgo? Is this US Sales?
Deftones Diamond Eyes 7th on Sales 60,000 Plus http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi (http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi)
Quote from: theshadeisatool on May 11, 2010, 09:11 AM
Dunno if this has been posted already: UK Top 40 albums, #26 new entry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums/)
adding on to this...
DE sold 7,716
& as of May 6th SNW had sold a total of 29,811
UK figures!!
It drives me crazy, just drives me wild...
It seems to be selling OK, considering the internet age. Hopefully, the 60,500 didn't include the iTunes sales.
Finland #32
http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/albumit/2010/19 (http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/albumit/2010/19)
Per Blabbermouth and Billboard.
Diamond Eyes first week sales were 62,000 putting the album at #6 on the US Charts.
Saturday Night Wrist debuted at #10 in it's first week.
Quote from: 976-EVIL on May 12, 2010, 06:08 PM
Per Blabbermouth and Billboard.
Diamond Eyes first week sales were 62,000 putting the album at #6 on the US Charts.
Saturday Night Wrist debuted at #10 in it's first week.
Nice. I read a billboard projection that said it was going to come in around 14th.
theres a brief mention bout dt 1/2 way down http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/52862/week-ending-may-9-2010-starting-the-recovery-process/ (http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/52862/week-ending-may-9-2010-starting-the-recovery-process/)
62,000
#6
not bad at all. with how bad sales are these days that's a pretty big number
Hell Yea!! Not bad at all. Good for them, god knows they deserve it. Sextape should definitely be the next signal, which Im sure will draw even more fans. Its a great summer song.
:X Bieber.
that's honestly not too bad:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/228/19379287.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/228/19379287.jpg)
Anyone know if that includes the iTunes stuff?
Quote from: IN WAVES on May 17, 2010, 05:28 AM
Anyone know if that includes the iTunes stuff?
Yup, it does.
they are on number 8 in Germany :)
Week #2 Sales for Diamond Eyes were 20,000 dropping the Album for it's #6 debut to #18 this week in the US.
-Source Billboard
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
the single "diamond eyes" is #18 this week on the billboard alternative rock chart
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
Lol. this is pretty funny. When I went to buy the new album there was this like 400 pound trailer trash looking chick in there and she was all like "What CD are you here to get?" And i'm like "Deftones!" And she just glared at me and said she was there to get the new godsmack. I laughed at her and walked away.
Quote from: Wax And Wane on May 20, 2010, 05:36 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
Lol. this is pretty funny. When I went to buy the new album there was this like 400 pound trailer trash looking chick in there and she was all like "What CD are you here to get?" And i'm like "Deftones!" And she just glared at me and said she was there to get the new godsmack. I laughed at her and walked away.
I had the same sort of conversation with a leprechaun friend of mine. and by that I mean dude straight up looks like a leprechaun. he kept telling me that the new godsmack was amazing and blah blah blah. I told him to listen to Diamond Eyes and let me know if he still felt the same way about that other shit.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
yeah ok, but really, who cares about godsmack or their fans- do something else with yr time
#28 in the Portuguese top 30.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching
godsmak is no disturbed
Quote from: wax on May 20, 2010, 07:51 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching
godsmak is no disturbed
They both suck ass. Lol
Quote from: wax on May 20, 2010, 07:51 PM
godsmak is no disturbed
godsmak is no godsmack
Disturbed is cool. Of course, I like Deftones more though. :)
#8 in german Top 100 is a great position for the Deftones.
Quote from: IN WAVES on May 22, 2010, 01:54 PM
Disturbed is cool. Of course, I like Deftones more though. :)
not as cool as deftones
Disturbed is awful guys....
Quote from: stapezee on May 22, 2010, 10:08 PM
Disturbed is awful guys....
theyre no saliva.....
Disturbed are a brilliant band. But then I'm a fan of them and I'd obviously be biased (And Dan Donegan reviewed me playing one of their songs lol)
I can't believe Diamond Eyes debuted at 6#!! God dang, Billboard doesn't mean shit anymore. Aslong as they're selling out shows, it's all good.
Disturbs sucks, sorry to say that Sub but they suck. Suck suck suck haha
disturbed are just plain terrible. nothing about them is original.
well they are kind of original ive never heard monkey screams in a song before
i have a little question,
can i buy the diamond eyes single only "virtual" or where can i buy a physical copy?
i'm searching a physical copy but i can't find it
Where are you McFly?
i'm from germany
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 20, 2010, 06:28 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
yeah ok, but really, who cares about godsmack or their fans- do something else with yr time
ok this is prolly worse
Deftones Suck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HX3AvweuTk#)
Week #3 Diamond Eyes Sales Update.
Diamond Eyes slides down from #18 to #31 on the US Billboard chart moving 12,500 units total this week.
Total US Sales to date is 94,500 units and is expected to exceed 100,000 next week.
Is that good so far?
Compared to SNW for eg?
I think it will be one of humanities biggest crimes if it doesn't go platinum - it really deserves it - but there is no justice in this world.
for these days those are good numbers. it has no shot at going gold, but it's really hard to go gold thes days let alone platinum. i heard the riaa are considering lowering the amount of copies sold for gold and platinum. these days 250k should be gold, 500k platinum, maybe even lower
snw sold a bit better, but in 06 album sales in general were better. adjusted DE is doing a bit better
I bought the iTunes version, and the physical copy the first week. :) Those numbers are pretty low. It's a shame. :( I guess being number 31 isn't that bad though. :)
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
Quote from: pinkmaggit on May 27, 2010, 02:47 PM
Is that good so far?
Compared to SNW for eg?
I think it will be one of humanities biggest crimes if it doesn't go platinum - it really deserves it - but there is no justice in this world.
5 week run of SNW
10 76,338
47 24,892
81 14,924
143 11,225
153 8,533
Total 5 week haul: 136,071
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
Fixed
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
Who fucking cares about the sales? Really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that? They fucking ship censored CDs to Europe. What a fucking clever strategy.
I would imagine the band cares. Which as a result makes the fans care, seeing as how they care about the band. A lot of people probably want to see something good happen for these guys, want them to get the recognition they deserve. In an industry where complete shit bands get huge and hog the spot light, its a refreshing renewal oh hope to see a really good band succeed. Also more success for Deftones means that they may start to play bigger venues, get a DVD deal, get money for more videos, etc. etc. etc. I would imagine those are some of the reasons people care.
Quote from: Variable on May 30, 2010, 07:23 AMI would imagine the band cares. Which as a result makes the fans care, seeing as how they care about the band. A lot of people probably want to see something good happen for these guys, want them to get the recognition they deserve. In an industry where complete shit bands get huge and hog the spot light, it's a refreshing renewal of hope to see a really good band succeed. Also more success for Deftones means that they may start to play bigger venues, get a DVD deal, get money for more videos, etc. etc. etc. I would imagine those are some of the reasons people care.
Fixed
Damn. They typos get me again. This is why I will never be an editor.
Quote from: Penicks on May 30, 2010, 08:43 AM
Quote from: Variable on May 30, 2010, 07:23 AMI would imagine the band cares. Which as a result makes the fans care, seeing as how they care about the band. A lot of people probably want to see something good happen for these guys, want them to get the recognition they deserve. In an industry where complete shit bands get huge and hog the spot light, it's a refreshing renewal of hope to see a really good band succeed. Also more success for Deftones means that they may start to play bigger venues, get a DVD deal, get money for more videos, etc. etc. etc. I would imagine those are some of the reasons people care.
Very well put. I could not agree more, nice post.
Diamond Eyes Week #4 US Sales Update 6/1:
Diamond Eyes slides from #31 last week in the US to #42 this week moving 9376 Units.
This brings the 4 week total to 103,876 Albums sold.
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Jun 01, 2010, 09:46 PM
Diamond Eyes US Sales Week #4 Update 6/1:
Diamond Eyes slides from #31 last week in the US to #43 this week moving 3660 Units.
This brings the 4 week total to 98160 Albums sold.
i read over 9 thousand units http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi (http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi)
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Jun 01, 2010, 09:46 PM
Diamond Eyes Week #4 US Sales Update 6/1:
Diamond Eyes slides from #31 last week in the US to #42 this week moving 9376 Units.
This brings the 4 week total to 103,876 Albums sold.
FIXED.....Thanks for keeping me honest Deftjess!
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 24, 2010, 02:47 PM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 20, 2010, 06:28 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on May 20, 2010, 10:09 AM
if you go to amazon and look at user reviews there's a twatish godsmack fan bitching about deftones and their fans. He already has 20 something comments calling him a prick but please feel free to join in
yeah ok, but really, who cares about godsmack or their fans- do something else with yr time
ok this is prolly worse
Deftones Suck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HX3AvweuTk#)
Is that the review?
Yes, obviously that is THE review.
Interesting side note to this thread.
I noticed today the new Stone Temple Pilots record sold 62,000 copies in the US the first week to chart at #2.
This equals Diamond Eyes first week of sales when the album charted at #6.
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
I care a lot about sales!
Why?
Because Deftones have worked really hard to put this album together for our enjoyment.
This is what they do for a living and so they need the money earned from sales to survive.
If we don't support the good bands out there, then they can't do this as a profession, we'll lose a lot of great music and will all end up listening to shit like lady gaga.
It's obvious to me that the more people download illegally the less artists will make, therefore the less artists there will be.
Pretty important if you ask me.
Man I hate people who download without paying for something - I mean everyone can afford the price of a CD every few years.
I have a friend who downloaded Diamond Eyes and I swear I'm going to delete his whole hard drive.
Give your band the support they deserve or there might not be a band much longer
true that....
Week #5 Diamond Eyes US Sales Update....
Diamond Eyes Holds the #42 chart position in the US for a second straight week selling 8,349 copies.
This brings the 5 week total to 112,225 units sold in the US.
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Jun 03, 2010, 04:08 PM
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
I care a lot about sales!
Why?
Because Deftones have worked really hard to put this album together for our enjoyment.
This is what they do for a living and so they need the money earned from sales to survive.
If we don't support the good bands out there, then they can't do this as a profession, we'll lose a lot of great music and will all end up listening to shit like lady gaga.
It's obvious to me that the more people download illegally the less artists will make, therefore the less artists there will be.
Pretty important if you ask me.
Man I hate people who download without paying for something - I mean everyone can afford the price of a CD every few years.
I have a friend who downloaded Diamond Eyes and I swear I'm going to delete his whole hard drive.
Give your band the support they deserve or there might not be a band much longer
Very little of bands' money come from album sales. The real money is in the touring.
True about touring but what you fail to realize is that part of the reason ticket prices are so high is because of people not buying the musuc. Of course thats not true for all venues but it is a contributing factor.
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Jun 03, 2010, 04:08 PM
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
I care a lot about sales!
Why?
Because Deftones have worked really hard to put this album together for our enjoyment.
This is what they do for a living and so they need the money earned from sales to survive.
If we don't support the good bands out there, then they can't do this as a profession, we'll lose a lot of great music and will all end up listening to shit like lady gaga.
It's obvious to me that the more people download illegally the less artists will make, therefore the less artists there will be.
Pretty important if you ask me.
Man I hate people who download without paying for something - I mean everyone can afford the price of a CD every few years.
I have a friend who downloaded Diamond Eyes and I swear I'm going to delete his whole hard drive.
Give your band the support they deserve or there might not be a band much longer
I'm with you in spirit. But as Dakkon said, bands don't make much money from album sales at all. Like 20 cents an album or some shit. So the real profiteers of album sales are the record companies. However, they will obviously be a lot more willing to sink money into promoting a band, getting them better videos, maybe making some DVDs, and releasing more singles, if they have good record sales. Humans react to incentives. The incentive for the record company to properly promote Deftones is $ earned through record sales. So that's why I care. Plus, it's just bragging rights, and I want to see the boys be what is considered successful.
I just saw them on tour. $30 for a T-shirt that all goes directly to the band. Ticket sales are chump change for the bands anyway since the venue takes a big cut. It's the merch that makes them the money. Most of the money from sales goes to the record company. Most of the money from ticket sales goes to the venue. ALL of the money from merch sales goes to the band. I've bought DE on CD and vinyl, as well as a DE tour shirt. I think I can cover the cost of your friend's download.
well not all of the money goes to the band. those shirts arent made for free. Merch is nothing compared to ticket sales not even close. Venus make most of their money from promotion deals thats why you see coca cola and pepsi every where and also from selling drinks and parking passes. Why do you think bottled water costs 6 bucks at a concert? Bands usually take any where from 60-70% off ticket sales then minus roadies tour manager fuel hotels and all that so a band probably gets 40-50% so if a ticket costs $20 bucks and 2000 people are there thats $16,000-$20,000 a night split 5 ways and then you have taxes oh glourious taxes so you can go ahead and knock off 34% from that $16,000-$20,000 so thats $10,560 $13,200 a night split 5 ways and thats $2112-$2640 per band member per night. So if they play 180 shows in a year thats $380,160-$475,000. but you can probably knock off a couple hundred thousand from that because they have to pay back the record company for studio time because the record cost more to make than the album sales would cover. So your looking at anywhere from $180,160-$275,000 a year per band member after taxes from ticket sales. Now some of the dates they are not headlining like the blackdiamondskye tour so they make even less. And then the festivals the money is split between 20 bands. Also Bands dont make any money during the album writing process. They do get an advance from the record company and this is paid back from album sales. And if the album doesnt sell much then yes that money comes out of the ticketsales also. The lable also gives a band tour support, which is the money that actually funds the first part of the tour before the checks from the venues and ticket master and whoever sells the tickets start to come in. So support your band.
This has been you Music business lesson for the day. i hope you took notes there will be a test.
Bling Bling
Quote from: deftones86 on Jun 11, 2010, 11:56 AM
well not all of the money goes to the band. those shirts arent made for free. Merch is nothing compared to ticket sales not even close. Venus make most of their money from promotion deals thats why you see coca cola and pepsi every where and also from selling drinks and parking passes. Why do you think bottled water costs 6 bucks at a concert? Bands usually take any where from 60-70% off ticket sales then minus roadies tour manager fuel hotels and all that so a band probably gets 40-50% so if a ticket costs $20 bucks and 2000 people are there thats $16,000-$20,000 a night split 5 ways and then you have taxes oh glourious taxes so you can go ahead and knock off 34% from that $16,000-$20,000 so thats $10,560 $13,200 a night split 5 ways and thats $2112-$2640 per band member per night. So if they play 180 shows in a year thats $380,160-$475,000. but you can probably knock off a couple hundred thousand from that because they have to pay back the record company for studio time because the record cost more to make than the album sales would cover. So your looking at anywhere from $180,160-$275,000 a year per band member after taxes from ticket sales. Now some of the dates they are not headlining like the blackdiamondskye tour so they make even less. And then the festivals the money is split between 20 bands. Also Bands dont make any money during the album writing process. They do get an advance from the record company and this is paid back from album sales. And if the album doesnt sell much then yes that money comes out of the ticketsales also. The lable also gives a band tour support, which is the money that actually funds the first part of the tour before the checks from the venues and ticket master and whoever sells the tickets start to come in. So support your band.
This has been you Music business lesson for the day. i hope you took notes there will be a test.
Bling Bling
thanks man cleared a lot up and opened my eyes to how stuff works
Quote from: DakkoN on Jun 08, 2010, 10:49 PM
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Jun 03, 2010, 04:08 PM
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
I care a lot about sales!
Why?
Because Deftones have worked really hard to put this album together for our enjoyment.
This is what they do for a living and so they need the money earned from sales to survive.
If we don't support the good bands out there, then they can't do this as a profession, we'll lose a lot of great music and will all end up listening to shit like lady gaga.
It's obvious to me that the more people download illegally the less artists will make, therefore the less artists there will be.
Pretty important if you ask me.
Man I hate people who download without paying for something - I mean everyone can afford the price of a CD every few years.
I have a friend who downloaded Diamond Eyes and I swear I'm going to delete his whole hard drive.
Give your band the support they deserve or there might not be a band much longer
Very little of bands' money come from album sales. The real money is in the touring.
Exactly, so if bands took the initiative like Nine Inch Nails to be independant. They've built up their fanbase and reputation, so all they need is to write and album, get it out there, online or not and the gigs flood in.
But a lot of bands LIKE the Deftones are tied to a contract.
Well the venues around here only have radio station promotion, water is only two dollars, and the ticket was only 30 bucks.
I made that point because smaller bands charge around $15 for their shirts, whereas Deftones charged $30. If you can make a profit selling shirts for $15, think of the profits they're pulling selling shirts for $30. That's all I'm saying man. Also the venue they played at is downtown, and the parking for the venue is all managed and maintained by the city, since the venue itself does not provide parking. The $6 I payed to park across the street from the venue goes to the city, and the private company that owns the lot. Since the venue doesn't have its own parking, that lot or the city owned parking garage are the only options for parking.
Not every venue has the amenities of things in bigger cities. That's where I was coming from with that statement. Either way, with two copies of DE, a concert ticket, AND a $30 T-shirt, I think I'm doing my best to support them.
So much hate..
calm down fellas..
Week #6 Diamond Eyes US Sales Update......
Diamond Eyes slides from #42 to #70 on the Billboard Chart this week moving 6,300 units.
This brings the 6 week total sales in the US to 118,525 albums sold.
The record industry is hurting pretty bad.
any update for week 8?
Quote from: gunsrazorsknives on Jun 22, 2010, 07:03 PM
any update for week 8?
All I can find right now is that Diamond Eyes fell from #70 last week in the Billboard Top 200 to #94 this week (week 7). Looking for actual units sold but having a hard time locating the information.
Any one else able to fill in the blanks out there?
Quote from: Variable on Jun 09, 2010, 06:23 AM
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Jun 03, 2010, 04:08 PM
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
who fucking cares about the sales. really, why the fuck does anyone of you care about that. they fucking ship censored cd's to Europe. what a fucking clever strategy
I care a lot about sales!
Why?
Because Deftones have worked really hard to put this album together for our enjoyment.
This is what they do for a living and so they need the money earned from sales to survive.
If we don't support the good bands out there, then they can't do this as a profession, we'll lose a lot of great music and will all end up listening to shit like lady gaga.
It's obvious to me that the more people download illegally the less artists will make, therefore the less artists there will be.
Pretty important if you ask me.
Man I hate people who download without paying for something - I mean everyone can afford the price of a CD every few years.
I have a friend who downloaded Diamond Eyes and I swear I'm going to delete his whole hard drive.
Give your band the support they deserve or there might not be a band much longer
I'm with you in spirit. But as Dakkon said, bands don't make much money from album sales at all. Like 20 cents an album or some shit. So the real profiteers of album sales are the record companies. However, they will obviously be a lot more willing to sink money into promoting a band, getting them better videos, maybe making some DVDs, and releasing more singles, if they have good record sales. Humans react to incentives. The incentive for the record company to properly promote Deftones is $ earned through record sales. So that's why I care. Plus, it's just bragging rights, and I want to see the boys be what is considered successful.
Seriously? 20 cents a CD?? Then split that 5 ways within the band...??
Can somebody please give an accurate amount the band receives? Not saying that 20 cents was far off, but I'd like to know exactly what they get.
it's about 1 dollar per cd they get
Well they have to pay back the record label also thats why they get a small amount. I'm sure when they do pay them back they get more money per album.
Week #8 Diamond Eyes slides from #94 to #108 on the Billboard Chart.
Still cannot find actual units sold to date. Any help out there?
Week #9 Diamond Eyes #122 on Billboard Chart
Week #10 Diamond Eyes #135 on Billboard Chart
I still cannot find total record sales to date although I know it is over 100,000 so far.
I just love the lyrics of the song "Risk"... lovely.
interesting tidbit, the first 3 weeks of korn's new album has sold the same as DE first 3 weeks. 62k, 20k, 12k
Quote from: Hidalgo on Aug 05, 2010, 10:16 AM
interesting tidbit, the first 3 weeks of korn's new album has sold the same as DE first 3 weeks. 62k, 20k, 12k
Nice observation Hidalgo.
After doing some more digging I found some information on Billboards top selling albums for 2010 to date. This as of Week 29 of the yearly cycle (last weeks sales numbers).
Diamond Eyes ranks at #126 with 144,549 albums sold so far this year.
Right Behind Rob Zombie's Hellbilly Deluxe 2 but better than the Hanna Montana Movie Soundtrack!!! (Thank God!)
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 05:40 PM
Diamond Eyes ranks at #126 with 144,549 albums sold so far this year.
Which is less than Avenged Sevenfold sold in the first week to go in at #1 in the US.
It's official. People have bad taste.
Quote from: defsteve on Aug 05, 2010, 07:38 PM
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 05:40 PM
Diamond Eyes ranks at #126 with 144,549 albums sold so far this year.
Which is less than Avenged Sevenfold sold in the first week to go in at #1 in the US.
It's official. People have bad taste.
HA! That was good dude! Sad but true as well.............
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 11:02 PM
Quote from: defsteve on Aug 05, 2010, 07:38 PM
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 05:40 PM
Diamond Eyes ranks at #126 with 144,549 albums sold so far this year.
Which is less than Avenged Sevenfold sold in the first week to go in at #1 in the US.
It's official. People have bad taste.
HA! That was good dude! Sad but true as well.............
I actually really like Avenged Sevenfold. Nightmare is pretty damn good...
Not Diamond Eyes good but still...
Quote from: Inertiatic-Wrist on Aug 06, 2010, 02:18 AM
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 11:02 PM
Quote from: defsteve on Aug 05, 2010, 07:38 PM
Quote from: 976-EVIL on Aug 05, 2010, 05:40 PM
Diamond Eyes ranks at #126 with 144,549 albums sold so far this year.
Which is less than Avenged Sevenfold sold in the first week to go in at #1 in the US.
It's official. People have bad taste.
HA! That was good dude! Sad but true as well.............
I actually really like Avenged Sevenfold. Nightmare is pretty damn good...
Not Diamond Eyes good but still...
Yeah, I like a few Avenged Sevenfold songs, but obviously they'd sell more. I think they're more mainstream than Deftones, so that's just how it goes.
meh. avenged sevenfold haven't really ever done anything original. i guess that's why they're popular. plus i just plain HATE them as people. they have a couple alright songs but overall...thumbs down.
I think it's all relative.....Avenged Sevenfold are a lot newer and arguably in their 'hay day'. I imagine (with out bothering to check) that Deftones sales back in their prime i.e. ATF and WP would have pissed all over Avenged Sevenfold.
Question, will Avenged Seven Fold last as long as Deftones have?
Will they be as successful as Deftones over all?
answers on a postcard.
I'm chuffed that Deftones de-throned Hannah Montana
its weird that Avenged Sevenfold was mentioned..because theyre my favorite band next to Deftones. They began in 1999 and the most recent record was their 5th. i think theyre pretty different than other bands by trying different things in their music(their song a little piece of heaven is an example) but everyone will always have their own opinion. as for hating them as people thats judging by looks. i guarantee they are nicer people than deftones. and i think they will last a LONG time..their fanbase is crazy and it sickens me to see some new fans like them for looks. anyway check out their record "waking the fallen" my fave. moving on now...
avenged sevenfold aren't the slightest bit interesting to me, based mainly on their singer. his voice isn't unique, & it just doesn't sound good to me. his whole style isn't very impressive. i can hear major axel rose influence, but axel does it way better obviously. he weighs them down for sure. the music is alright, but also not really my thing
the drummer was,i think, the most creative one. his voice was unique which i loved for them to let him sing in some songs. its really sad that he passed away...never got to see them live with him alive. this yea i had the chance too see them. but i chose deftones! nd i dont regret it one bit :)