Ok, like everybody else I love all the albums but I think I have to give the nod to self-titled as the best. It is a very tight race between s/t and white pony. In my book the only even semi-weak songs on s/t are wgtb and moana, and these are 3 out of 5 stars for me. As much as I love white pony passenger really hurts it for me. I realize many might consider that sacrilege but I can not stand tool, sorry...
I have heard many say that s/t lacks cohesiveness but I strongly disagree, there is such an ominous, moody vibe to the whole album and I think the way it "flows" is great. Oddly enough it took a long time to grow on me. Definately an album that requires repeat listenings but don't all Deftones albums?
I rank them like this; 1. S/T. 2. White Pony. 3. ATF. 4. SNW. 5. B-Sides. 6. Adrenaline.
I realize many will disagree but how do you guys rank them. Imagine you could only have two, what would they be?
it's all opinion... deftones have changed since adrenaline to diamond eyes... ranking the records now is just a matter of opinion... they have totally switched genres, from nu metal rock/rap shit to progressive metal...
but s/t is good material... listening to it now, though, i can tell there wasn't too much effort into it by the band.. you can almost hear it, listening to it now knowing their perspective and the fact that the band wasn't too tight around that time...
i think it's their worst album. it seems sorta uninspired, and unfinished. lazy for them, lack of riffs. Chino seemed to have writers block. however, they're such a good band that their worst effort is still really good. but i'd take any of their other albums over s/t
white pony
around the fur
like linus
saturday night wrist
adrenaline
s/t
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 01, 2010, 02:17 AM
Ok, like everybody else I love all the albums but I think I have to give the nod to self-titled as the best. It is a very tight race between s/t and white pony. In my book the only even semi-weak songs on s/t are wgtb and moana, and these are 3 out of 5 stars for me. As much as I love white pony passenger really hurts it for me. I realize many might consider that sacrilege but I can not stand tool, sorry...
I have heard many say that s/t lacks cohesiveness but I strongly disagree, there is such an ominous, moody vibe to the whole album and I think the way it "flows" is great. Oddly enough it took a long time to grow on me. Definately an album that requires repeat listenings but don't all Deftones albums?
I rank them like this; 1. S/T. 2. White Pony. 3. ATF. 4. SNW. 5. B-Sides. 6. Adrenaline.
I realize many will disagree but how do you guys rank them. Imagine you could only have two, what would they be?
I think s/t is one of their best. i think it gets a lot of shit cuz it wasn't WP2. WGTB took awhile to grow on me but i don't skip it now like i used to.
I love this album. A LOT!
And im not saying that because im a fan and shit. I just like the way it sounds. Crushes SNW anyday in the year, IMO!
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 01, 2010, 02:17 AM
In my book the only even semi-weak songs on s/t are wgtb...
:o
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 01, 2010, 02:17 AM
As much as I love white pony passenger really hurts it for me.
Yeah, Passenger gets a bit old.
Quote from: FeetLikeFins on Mar 01, 2010, 03:41 AM
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 01, 2010, 02:17 AM
As much as I love white pony passenger really hurts it for me.
Yeah, Passenger gets a bit old.
who the fuck are y'all haha... passenger is one of the highlights on WP... y'all are fuckin' high.. .
Im high and i like passenger it took me awhile but i like it. everything is better on weed. haha
Quote from: deftones86 on Mar 01, 2010, 04:45 AM
everything is better on weed. haha
LOL... Too funny. Gotta' watch that now!
I like Battle Axe and Bloody Cape... Minerva isnt bad.
WP
ATF
S/t
Adrenaline
SNW
S/T took me the longest to really love it out of all of their albums. At first I wasn't so into it, but then I really fell in love with it. Its a really dark record, but beautiful at the same time. Hexagram is my favorite live song to this day. But I honestly can't rank their albums, their all unique in their own way. Wish they would play battle axe live more often!
I think WGTB is one of the best songs the band has written, albeit unbearingly brutal. Minerva is simply gorgeous. Hexagram is decades ahead of its time still. Same goes for Needles and Pins - such interesting song structure. Bloody Cape's a classic too. The rest are kinda meh, but still fine cuts. I think the album is cohesive at the end of the day, unlike SNW which has a few good songs (Combat, Beware, Kimdrakula) but ends up just being a lagging mass of human aspiration.
Possibly my top favorite Deftones album. The only weak track to me is "Moana." I love the lyrical consistency and major lyrical themes that run throughout the album. Its simply beautiful. To me, its like Deftones version of Post-Rock like Mogwai. Its like how they would do that sound. The longer drawn out guitar phrases and full chord strumming in a very non-traditional presentation. Its just great to me. I remember hearing the clips of like 5 of the songs before the release with their working titles. WGTB was called Bukkake and I thought it was the most brutal and awesome clip I'd ever heard. Those were good times.
I don't even know how to rank the albums.
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 01, 2010, 04:41 AM
who the fuck are y'all haha... passenger is one of the highlights on WP... y'all are fuckin' high.. .
I liked it at the time. It just got old. *shrug*
Hate to jump on that bandwagon but White Pony is the best album by deftones. It's flawless.
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 01, 2010, 02:45 AMlistening to it now, though, i can tell there wasn't too much effort into it by the band.. you can almost hear it, listening to it now knowing their perspective and the fact that the band wasn't too tight around that time...
I disagree somewhat, although I can see your point. For me the sense of foreboding and tension on this album is like a bomb about to go off. I think the fact that th band wasn't tight at the time was a big part of why the album has this type of feeling.
I love the work by Frank on this record too. He really shines here. I pray that we hear him well on the new album! He did some fine stuff on snw too. His role actually becomes bigger and better with each record IMO.
if I could only have two Deftones albums, that would definitely be self-titled and White Pony. No questions asked.
S/T? No. :'( :) ;) ;D ??? ??? ??? 8) : :-[ :-[ :-[D
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:'(
like white pony its a mixed bag.
Strong trax by order:
WGTB (best d/f song + BQ&D)
hexsagram
Bloody Cape
Weaker songs:
Needles and pins: particu
Quote from: buddyboy101 on Mar 01, 2010, 05:40 AM
I think WGTB is one of the best songs the band has written, albeit unbearingly brutal. Minerva is simply gorgeous. Hexagram is decades ahead of its time still. Same goes for Needles and Pins - such interesting song structure. Bloody Cape's a classic too. The rest are kinda meh, but still fine cuts. I think the album is cohesive at the end of the day, unlike SNW which has a few good songs (Combat, Beware, Kimdrakula) but ends up just being a lagging mass of human aspiration.
HEXAGRAM IS THE SHIT. i got the S/T epk DVD a when it dropped from a friend of my dads that worked for WEA at the time, and my mind was blown, i wish the ENTIRE album was up to those standards.
i wholeheartedly agree with everything you said about self-titled, except i love Good Morning Beautiful as well.
BTW IMO there's more to SNW than that, but it's all subjective.
it is my favorite album ever
if s/t were a man, i'd let him buttfuck my ass beyond repair
Quote from: buddyboy101 on Mar 01, 2010, 05:40 AM
I think WGTB is one of the best songs the band has written, albeit unbearingly brutal. Minerva is simply gorgeous. Hexagram is decades ahead of its time still. Same goes for Needles and Pins - such interesting song structure. Bloody Cape's a classic too.
I agree about WGTB and everything else you have said. I just WISH the band would see that S/T is a great album but I don't think they ever will. Battle-Axe is just a soul crushing, end of the world song which I could listen to for hours and hours. It's by far their best album I really want to hear Eros as I think it will sound a lot like S/T. Chino has said Eros is very dark.
SNW is their worst and that is only my opinion.
As a follow up to WP, yeah S/T really stinks, but by itself it is a very dark and beautiful record.
Hexagram was the first song I heard from the album when all the leaks came out and I didnt think much of it after being in love with WP. [Edit:] Now Hexagram is one of my favorite live Deftones songs.
WGTB is one of their best heavy songs to me. I remember listening to WGTB and absolutely hating the 30 sec clip, it was only when I heard the song playing in the record store on the night of the release party that I got chills down my spine over it.
Battle Axe is one of my favorites, I think it was called You Hate Fun or something.
Minerva is a fav too, Bloody Cape is the shit, ... ah hell.. I love the whole album except for Anniversary and Lucky You. I just think theres a place for songs like thoses and its called a TeamSleep album. I skipped class to run out and buy the Matrix Reloaded Sdtrk to hear the first officially released trk off S/T and was appalled at what I heard. I was expecting something more... IDK... hard rock, but instead it was some TS electronica. I got a flat tire on my way back to school and actually got in trouble for skipping, so,.. yeah i dont like Lucky You, its not my lucky song.
White Pony will always stay @ the top for me, Passenger has a lot of personal meaning to me and thats partly why I love it.
I cant really decide between the other albums order because its always changing
SNW, however, will probably always be on the bottom. I just dont like the songs on that album, its Deftones watered down, just really weak album. its a complete turd to me, a VERY well polished turd i might add, but still a big stinky pile of communication failure. The Deftones almost broke up over it, they admitted to not writing and recording it together as a band, its just an altogether uninspiring album.
No love for Moana? Dang, I think that song is brilliant. S/T is definitely near and dear to my heart. Each song is well written, and the flow and mood it creates as a whole is incredible. More than that though, I have a lot of good memories surrounding that album.
Much respect,
-Matt
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Mar 01, 2010, 06:24 PM
No love for Moana? Dang, I think that song is brilliant. S/T is definitely near and dear to my heart. Each song is well written, and the flow and mood it creates as a whole is incredible. More than that though, I have a lot of good memories surrounding that album.
Much respect,
-Matt
Oh fo sho, I love Moana. Although it took me a long time to come around to it. I never did think it was a good album closer tho.
Moana's trash. They should have replaced it with Lovers/Kevin Sorbo instead. Snap, I almost forgot about Anniversary - the other high water mark of the album and potentially their whole catalog. You're a knucklehead if you can't appreciate Anniversary. Battleaxe is cool too. Never really got into Lucky You or Deathblow.
I'd say ST, WP, ATF. That order.
The best Deftones album, but Moana was a shit closer.
When I first joined this Forum I was singing S/T praises and I got a lot of comments from long term members saying stuff like "hardly anyone on here agrees with you man but that's cool you like S/T so much." People seemed to really dislike it but maybe now people are starting to realise how special it is :) Now all we need is the band themselves to realise S/T's potential lol...
Quote from: Starz on Mar 01, 2010, 08:39 PM
When I first joined this Forum I was singing S/T praises and I got a lot of comments from long term members saying stuff like "hardly anyone on here agrees with you man but that's cool you like S/T so much." People seemed to really dislike it but maybe now people are starting to realise how special it is :) Now all we need is the band themselves to realise S/T's potential lol...
It's Stef's 10 year theory.
(Except it's been less than 10 years since it's release.)
i think s/t put the death nail in future album sales for the band, and snw's sales suffered for it. i don't think they'll ever go gold again. a lot of people jumped ship after s/t. it sold ok off the WP buzz and how good the first 3 albums were, but reactions weren't so hot. it was just not what they needed to follow WP. i like the album, but resent it in a way also, and 03 sucked for me so that doesn't help, but even if i had a great year i still would know they could do much better
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 08:51 PM
i think s/t put the death nail in future album sales for the band, and snw's sales suffered for it. i don't think they'll ever go gold again. a lot of people jumped ship after s/t. it sold ok off the WP buzz and how good the first 3 albums were, but reactions weren't so hot. it was just not what they needed to follow WP. i like the album, but resent it in a way also, and 03 sucked for me so that doesn't help, but even if i had a great year i still would know they could do much better
I agree with what you're saying. White Pony was well-received because it was intelligent and different at the time. Self-titled failed to maintain that arc of sprogression and experimentalism that was seen between all predecesing albums. It was a step-backwards in terms of songwriting, which turned away people who found White Pony to be progressive for its time.
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Mar 01, 2010, 06:24 PM
No love for Moana?
Moana's cool. It's better than Lucky You, which isn't even a Deftones song.
Quote from: FeetLikeFins on Mar 02, 2010, 02:03 AM
Moana's cool. It's better than Lucky You, which isn't even a Deftones song.
eh? that was new for me.
hey i just found this show.. any info? i've never seen this, this is one of the best quality shows i've seen recorded of them...
deftones - when girls telephone boys (08/21/09) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKvLRvfwbck#ws)
Anniversary is spectacular. Really wish I could have made it to the benefit show to see it live. I hope they play it again so we can get some legit video.
and I've never seen ^^^ that show either. where have we been deftoolsys? thanks for posting it!
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 02, 2010, 02:39 AM
hey i just found this show.. any info? i've never seen this, this is one of the best quality shows i've seen recorded of them...
Dude, this show is incredible. This guy has tons of this show up to boot--thanks for this!
Much respect,
-Matt
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Mar 02, 2010, 03:07 AM
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 02, 2010, 02:39 AM
hey i just found this show.. any info? i've never seen this, this is one of the best quality shows i've seen recorded of them...
Dude, this show is incredible. This guy has tons of this show up to boot--thanks for this!
Much respect,
-Matt
yeah it's the whole show.. thats why i'm wondering there's a bootleg of this somewhere? too bad we don't have vids like this from the benefit shows... .
actually I have seen this show before. its light outside for the beginning and that was throwing me off.
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 02, 2010, 03:37 AM
yeah it's the whole show.. thats why i'm wondering there's a bootleg of this somewhere? too bad we don't have vids like this from the benefit shows... .
Sad part being that someone has it, just not us. I wonder where all that proshot footage ended up--such a tragedy. Deep down I'm still hoping they'll release a massive DVD set someday, gotta dream the big dreams.
Much respect,
-Matt
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Mar 02, 2010, 05:18 AM
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 02, 2010, 03:37 AM
yeah it's the whole show.. thats why i'm wondering there's a bootleg of this somewhere? too bad we don't have vids like this from the benefit shows... .
Sad part being that someone has it, just not us. I wonder where all that proshot footage ended up--such a tragedy. Deep down I'm still hoping they'll release a massive DVD set someday, gotta dream the big dreams.
Much respect,
-Matt
Massive box set release! OMG would that not be sweet? Artwork, special box (see Misfits casket), albums, b-sides, live shit, dvd's, wow! I would pay 100 bones easy for that shit...
i always thought moana should've been replaced by Lovers, and had Lovers as a single.
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 02, 2010, 05:57 AM
Massive box set release! OMG would that not be sweet? Artwork, special box (see Misfits casket), albums, b-sides, live shit, dvd's, wow! I would pay 100 bones easy for that shit...
that would be great :) i got the misfits casket and to have a fat deftones box next to it would be wicked cool.
as for grading your favourite deftones records , i just dont know how many times its been done around here... think i pass this round (http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq20/jesusinabowlofdirt/indifferent0018.gif)
around the fur
saturday night wrist
adreniline
white pony
deftones
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 03:10 AM
white pony
around the fur
like linus
saturday night wrist
adrenaline
s/t
like linus better than adrenaline and st? ..omg to write that isnt only a joke itself, it also makes u as a person a big joke. your posts always
SUCK :) too bad your 2003 werent that good,but good music doesnt turn bad because of it. see the big picture
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 08:51 PM
i think s/t put the death nail in future album sales for the band, and snw's sales suffered for it. i don't think they'll ever go gold again. a lot of people jumped ship after s/t. it sold ok off the WP buzz and how good the first 3 albums were, but reactions weren't so hot. it was just not what they needed to follow WP. i like the album, but resent it in a way also, and 03 sucked for me so that doesn't help, but even if i had a great year i still would know they could do much better
this! except i do not like that album at all.
White Pony
Around the Fur
Adrenaline
Saturday Night Wrist
s/t
although the last two I could do without. Saturday Night Wrist at least has Cherry waves, Combat and Reviere. s/t has absolutely nothing going for it.
Agreed, Riviere is a incredible closing track for SNW, the album just wouldn't have been the same without that song seeing it off.
I've cut your armies down, and torn your heart
You wait
I wait
Outside, awake
She haunts the roads
She waits for a new face
Incredible.
Much respect,
-Matt
riviere might be the best track on snw. breath taking
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 02, 2010, 12:01 PM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 03:10 AM
white pony
around the fur
like linus
saturday night wrist
adrenaline
s/t
like linus better than adrenaline and st? ..omg to write that isnt only a joke itself, it also makes u as a person a big joke. your posts always
SUCK :) too bad your 2003 werent that good,but good music doesnt turn bad because of it. see the big picture
i'd definitely tak like linus over s/t. adrenaline? that's alot closer, but i slighty prefer like linus, but just barely. really, the first 5 on the list are so close none had a huge advantage over the other. only s/t is my clear least fav, but i do like it alot still. it's all deftones music so i don't see why the order anyone likes the albums in matters. i am a diehard so there's no hating any of their alums. unless they make one that really sucks or sounds like nickelback, i'll always like what they do
Quote from: Vesanic on Mar 02, 2010, 01:25 PM...
oh yes. Definitely my favorite Deftones album closer. I always liked Moana, bet Riviere is like SO much better. Especially those last chords.
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 08:51 PM
i think s/t put the death nail in future album sales for the band, and snw's sales suffered for it. i don't think they'll ever go gold again. a lot of people jumped ship after s/t. it sold ok off the WP buzz and how good the first 3 albums were, but reactions weren't so hot. it was just not what they needed to follow WP. i like the album, but resent it in a way also, and 03 sucked for me so that doesn't help, but even if i had a great year i still would know they could do much better
but white pony is more of a sell out rec than s/t. Singles like change and digital bath is very radio/video friendly and easy listening+back to school was kind of a big hit when that hip hop metal was big.nu metal times mate. and white pony was released in 3-4 versions so many fans bought more than 1 copy, surley that boosted some sales.
downloading from the net was even more common in 2003 (st times) than in 2000 (white pony times) so that affects too. dont ever think album sales is the same as best material from any band
I love this album. My 3rd favorite Deftones album.
White Pony
Around the Fur
Deftones
Adrenaline
Saturday Night Wrist
recently self titled has been my favorite to listen to. it changes all the time but i think it's a damn solid album. probably my second favorite overall after around the fur.
I'll just quote one of my old posts. It perfectly sums up S/T to me.
Well after the progression of White Pony, it was a case of 'Holy shit, where are this band going?'. White Pony was the band hitting the stratosphere. and when I heard Deftones, I didn't dislike it, but I didn't know how to feel about it either. I knew on some level I dug the sound of it, without really articulating in my head that it was 'good', because to be honest I didn't KNOW it was good back then. I was a bit estranged from the album at first; White Pony was a hedonistic exploration, future proof and downright NEW, the band were perched to fly off into exciting new areas, and along comes Deftones, and its this fucking dark, fractured record. I kept listening to it, and the more I did, the more I looked into the lyrics and the sounds, it became apparent that Deftones was a derailing from the logical progression (following WP), and that this band had been hit with a sledgehammer sometime after Pony. On some level I sensed disappointment within me that their White Pony direction had ground to a halt, and that this band had maybe lucked out. Still there was something about the record that kept me listening. It was something I was determined to figure out. Was this record great and was I still rightfully listening for a reason, or was I right in thinking that this band's sudden change was a bad sign? Yet, for those who eventually understood, it wasn't disappointing at all. On some dirty, rotten, palm rubbing level, the band's personal issues were fortunate, because they'd laid those issues out on the record and produced arguably the best shit they'd laid down. I came to understand that it was actually the best direction they could've taken. Why? Well, think of it like this.
White Pony is standing in a pristine room, in front of a beautiful glass statuette of the Virgin Mary, viewing it through stoned eyes, and Deftones is the appearance of a crack across her face that you don't remember happening when you wake up the next morning. Its the acknowledgement of a fucking travesty. Its something you didn't see coming, yet you know for a fact you were witness to it at the time. Shit changes, you don't see the signs, and you're left to pick up the pieces, knowing full well that the broken pieces only got there with the added influence of you and your choices.
As exciting as White Pony was, it was kind of soulless - in some ways that's part of its hedonistic charm, but I had this new album, and it was a fucking soul record. Deftones could be played amongst Motown shit and fit right in. Ha ha. When it transpired what the band had gone through in that period, it all makes sense that Deftones was the fallout. There's nothing cerebral to Deftones, in comparison to WP, which is all very intellectual. Deftones was about heart, but it wasn't a record that was easy to get because that sense of soul came out of left field, given what had just gone before it (WP). So in that regard, it took a while to understand Deftones. When you do understand Deftones, its their best album.
I honestly believe that it was easy for fans back then to listen to Deftones and not get it without coming to understand the reasons for it. I also believe that whoever still doesn't rate Deftones, still doesn't appreciate the gravity of the record. I've said this before, but Deftones is their most painful, most heartfelt record. Its the one that the people who really fucking LOVE what this band have done, appreciate the most, because its the one time they really wore their hearts on their sleeves for the sake of the music. Its fucking wonderful that a band could go from the crazy experimental fronts of WP to such a stripped down approach of Deftones, and write better shit.
There's a reason why that album is called 'Deftones', just no-one really knew why until the dust had settled.
Wow, some great thoughts above. I could not agree more! So what do you make of SNW then?
Very well written, Bergerac. Made me wanna put the album on.
Kudos!
Thanks guys.
Quote from: Dienekes on Mar 03, 2010, 12:39 AM
Wow, some great thoughts above. I could not agree more! So what do you make of SNW then?
Actually the post I lifted that section from is missing the end paragraph (and thus, context). The thread (I'm fairly sure) was actually about SNW, and my post was about how I hated SNW in comparison because it was lacking all of that heavy, brooding heartfelt stuff present on S/T. SNW was an escapist album, and I can understand that given how issues weren't really being resolved. Eventually you do just want to run as far away from it as possible, but given how impressed I'd been by S/T's brutal honesty, SNW was the last thing I wanted from the band. I've gotten over it since then, but I rarely listen to it, and man did SNW piss me off. It's still just a black eye on their discography, to me.
I think that's the whole thing with S/T. As great as ATF and WP were, in terms of sheer heart they almost appear superficial in comparison to S/T. Adrenaline had this glimmer of poetry and passion to it that steadily gave way to increasing hedonism with ATF and WP, but was suddenly brought back like a sledgehammer with Deftones. Even though S/T is completely downbeat and broken, the opposite of Adrenaline really, S/T at least sounded like the same heart beating as was screaming ona song like 7 Words. Whereas ATF was drunk for a while and WP was stoned for a while, Deftones was the sobering back up again, growing some balls and confronting life instead of getting high, or at the very least dealing with the consequences in some parts.
Naturally it was kind of heartbreaking to have that whole wonderful dark time end with such an anticlimax. SNW was kind of like a 'dissipation' of that energy. In some ways I even think that, as bare and stripped down as S/T was musically, it was even more experimental than Pony because of the territory it went to. Hexagram, Minerva, WGTB, Battle Axe, Lucky You and Anniversary were all showing signs of desperation, gratitude, vulnerability, of hunger. People think the band were lazy but I honestly think it's the hungriest they've ever been. It seemed like the most the band wanted to be a band in their career - which I think explains how they actually managed to come out the other side still intact. The issues they were dealing with probably should've torn a band apart given the way things sound, by how the band themselves reflect on that time. Sure as Hell beats the 'emailing music bits' to each other mess that was SNW's production - now
that was lazy. Like I said in that quote, about being excited about the band's direction after WP. Well, after S/T, I was like 'Y'know what? Fuck [Pony's] direction, sincerely, I want to see how deep this band are going to claw, after S/T' and unfortunately it didn't quite turn out that way. So in terms of how I feel about SNW, I dunno, I like Beware, Cherry Waves (though I don't like the album version of either in comparison to others I've heard) Rats and Riviere. The rest I just honestly don't care about.
I mean, even Rats, I only like musically. I think the fact that Chino wrote a song about Frances Farmer rather than about the issues that were still ongoing speaks volumes. I'm like 'Hello, your fucking DIVORCES/MARRIAGES dudes? The band in turmoil?'. How were the Deftones hard pressed to write a song about Frances Farmer before their personal issues in the darkest time in the band's history? Granted it's their music, they'll write what they want to, but there are things I can listen to and there are things I can downright respect and S/T had that respect, whereas SNW, I just feel that record had no guts. They were running away, emailing each other, and after how they'd opened my eyes with S/T, SNW was simply disappointing. That's the irony - SNW is actually perfect in terms of how it represented the sound of where the band were at the time. It's overly vague, scatological, directionless and bold faced lying about being upbeat in the middle of a breakdown. In that regard, funnily enough, SNW is perfect, but unfortunately the issues it is being so accurate in describing are all bad shit that no one wants the band to be in.
I like the heart analogy--
White Pony = Brain
Deftones = Heart
Adrenaline = Dick
Around the Fur = Balls
Saturday Night Wrist = Breasts. Who's? Not sure (pre-weight-loss Chino perhaps?)
I do like SNW. In all honesty I just couldn't find a good equivalent for it.
Much respect,
-Matt
i don't see how s/t has anymore heart than their other records
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Mar 03, 2010, 01:28 AM
Saturday Night Wrist = Breasts.
Ha! ;D
I think I'm in love with your puppy (assuming it is your puppy)..
What you said about the crack in the virgin Mary statue blew me away. It made me want to listen to s/t.
I wasn't a huge fan of the s/t album at first, but I definitely came around. Took a year or two but that album will tear a hole in your soul if you let it.
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 03, 2010, 02:27 AM
i don't see how s/t has anymore heart than their other records
"Like linus is their most heartfelt record. the one time they really wore their hearts on their sleeves"
you honestly think u can type this and get away with it?
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 03, 2010, 08:31 AM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 03, 2010, 02:27 AM
i don't see how s/t has anymore heart than their other records
"Like linus is their most heartfelt record. the one time they really wore their hearts on their sleeves"
you honestly think u can type this and get away with it?
get away with it? like you're gonna do something about it other than talk shit. i don't remember saying that, but i do think the demos has some of their best stuff. the song like linus alone is better than any s/t track imo. plastic, venison, hump, christmas, answers, some people, gift, also all better than any s/t track imo. only freaks is under par from some of s/t material. i realise this is the s/t crazy board, but that doesn't scare me, it's a freaking message board, a simple musical opinion. you take it too far, what do you care what i think?want me to lie and say s/t is the GOAT so you dont cry anymore?
hehe, it did come out a little fucked up i know it wasnt yr exact words..but the discussion wasnt about which rec was the best, its was about s/t had the most heart.when u listen to st it just pours out emotion,like tsunami waves of misery, u really cant say that about like linus. i really would like to see chino o:co faces if an interviewer said to their faces that their demo songs they prob wrote in their teens in a garage somewhere was better than the songs they wrote as professionals,songs to the successor to white pony. suggesting that they hadnt come further, in fact steps back as a band
well, garage days are sometimes a bands best stuff. no pressure, just friends making the best stuff they can. metallica's garage stuff is better than anything they did after the black album, they probably would admit it. countless other bands can only dream of writing stuff as good as their garage stuff
yeah u got a point.and thats was a meant in a previous white pony post about not confusing album the sales with how good it is, and that s/t isnt as
good because it didnt sell as much. im not a metallica fan but i doubt their black album is their best stuff although it sold the most
i didn't mean to imply s/t wasn't as good cause it sold less. i never take sales into acount. i just think it wasn't as good cause the music. still, hope people don't get it twisted like i hate the album, cause it's probably one of my 20 fav albums ever. i just place it last among deftones stuff
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 03, 2010, 03:47 PM
i didn't mean to imply s/t wasn't as good cause it sold less. i never take sales into acount
i guess this is what confused me
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 01, 2010, 08:51 PM
i think s/t put the death nail in future album sales for the band, and snw's sales suffered for it. i don't think they'll ever go gold again
yea, all i meant was the disappointment from s/t led to nobody even knowing snw was made. lots of fans jumped ship after s/t
i know, i'm gonna get hammered. this place is s/t country. why, i dunno, but it is
anyway, the album is one of my 20-25 favs ever so i certainly aint saying it sucks. it would be better if the album was just bsides or something, sounds like bsides. for deftones standards it's weak, even they know it
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 03, 2010, 01:19 PM
i do think the demos has some of their best stuff. the song like linus alone is better than any s/t track imo. plastic, venison, hump, christmas, answers, some people, gift, also all better than any s/t track imo.
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great album. I can't honestly separate ATF, WP and ST since they're all brilliant. I choose my #1 out of those three depending on my mood.
Eros is the closest thing we'll get to S/T part 2 if it ever surfaces. can't see the band heading towards that direction again.
in my opinion, every album has its own feel, every album has its ups and downs, but in the end it all balances out.. I personally, used to rank things like that, but all in all I cant really complain about any deftones song Ive ever heard except the Teenager(idiot version) was pitiful.... But yeah, I definitely thing Around The Fur could be their fullest album but besides that, I love em all, and I have a strong feeling that the new albums are gonna blow us all away, cause theres one thing that Deftones are good at- dynamically evolving.
Quote from: Hidalgo on Mar 03, 2010, 04:12 PM
yea, all i meant was the disappointment from s/t led to nobody even knowing snw was made. lots of fans jumped ship after s/t
I think you're right about the fans and their drop in popularity but S/T saw Deftones as a very unique band. The songs all sound huge and unlike almost any other bands songs. Its really hard for me to explain but no other album felt like it before or since and obviously there's only been one since so far so we'll see. The best analogy I can make is that S/T was like the following scene of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me if that movie were made analogous to their career.
Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me: Weird David Bowie scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrof3j72EpA#)
Quote from: Lhabia on Mar 03, 2010, 09:37 PM
in my opinion, every album has its own feel, every album has its ups and downs, but in the end it all balances out.. I personally, used to rank things like that, but all in all I cant really complain about any deftones song Ive ever heard except the Teenager(idiot version) was pitiful.... But yeah, I definitely thing Around The Fur could be their fullest album but besides that, I love em all, and I have a strong feeling that the new albums are gonna blow us all away, cause theres one thing that Deftones are good at- dynamically evolving.
You avatar and sig = you are awesome.
this album contains their best guitar sound in my opinion. stephen shines on this one.
just check my signature to see what's the best for me.
2nd one is ATF and the last is SNW, though it has Beware, Rats!, Konami song and Cherry Waves.
Also S/T brings back sooo good memories from 2003 and 04
Quote from: defTHE1s on Mar 08, 2010, 03:45 AM
just check my signature to see what's the best for me.
2nd one is ATF and the last is SNW, though it has Beware, Rats!, Konami song and Cherry Waves.
Also S/T brings back sooo good memories from 2003 and 04
I think you just got it right as to why different albums mean so much to people - reminders of good/specific times.
SNW is probably the most personal to me because it was the worst period of my life.