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Woah...  :o

Okay so there are reports that he is dead or is in a coma after a cardiac arrest. 

Yep... news just broke...     and whoa is right.

Okay cnn is now saying he's dead.  I'm going with that.

Hey hey, let's stay positive. This hasn't been confirmed yet has it? just some fucking gossip site that wrote it.

If it is indeed true, this sucks. I have tickets for a concert in july aswell. fuck!

man. the end product

The Los Angeles Times confirmes it:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/

A sad day indeed...

Moonwalk in peace. Greatest entertainer ever.

Celebs are droppin' like flies.

Yeah, Farrah Fawcett died today too...

rip Farrah Fawcett

he is dead !..
i cant believe...
he was my first music idol
im one of the biggest fan of him

pop will never be cool again

god bless you micheal

Local radio station that doesn't have any Michael Jackson on hand but wanted to pay tribute to him decided to play "Hole In The Earth".  I thought that was neat and a different interpretation of the song than I had.

whoa

omg i just lost a tear.


what a tragic character though.

i hope he had some good last days and was satisfied with his life

Quote from: defskull on Jun 25, 2009, 11:01 PM
Local radio station that doesn't have any Michael Jackson on hand but wanted to pay tribute to him decided to play "Hole In The Earth".  I thought that was neat and a different interpretation of the song than I had.

what station was this?  101x?

I checked all news sites and music boards. i can't believe this is true! But the terrible news seem to be real. Please be respectful to one of the most influencing artists.
God bless you.

Quote from: defskull on Jun 25, 2009, 11:01 PM
Local radio station that doesn't have any Michael Jackson on hand but wanted to pay tribute to him decided to play "Hole In The Earth".  I thought that was neat and a different interpretation of the song than I had.

your telling me they played deftones in tribute? thats crazy! lol I think i'll join them and play that right now too!

just wow. sad day. now i gotta listen to some thriller.

Really sad......
Thanks god it's no Chi, but it really saddens me...

Rest In Peace Michael Jackson... :(

yeah. this came out of nowhere. its never good news hearing something like this


rip michael

Quote from: shine down unshy on Jun 25, 2009, 11:06 PM

Quote from: defskull on Jun 25, 2009, 11:01 PM
Local radio station that doesn't have any Michael Jackson on hand but wanted to pay tribute to him decided to play "Hole In The Earth".  I thought that was neat and a different interpretation of the song than I had.

what station was this?  101x?

Yep. From Austin?

And I thought everyone should consider watching MTV right now.  They are playing what made that channel relevant in the first place:  Michael fucking Jackson.

Yessir.

Gonna tune into MTV now..it's been a while.

I'm soo incredibly sad about this. :( This was my first concert ever.  :'(

Shocking. The first time I've felt sick on news of a celebrity dying. I was so stunned. I was holding out that CNN were right and it was just a coma but fuck man.

Quote from: penguin in the desert on Jun 25, 2009, 10:50 PM
Yeah, Farrah Fawcett died today too...

I'm sadder about that...

I will miss his talent  and i hope hes finally happy

in a way, we killed this dude.  I guess I'm one of the few that believe the dude was just a kid in a man's body who never jerked boys off...

Quote from: defTHE1s on Jun 25, 2009, 11:25 PM
Really sad......
Thanks god it's no Chi, but it really saddens me...

dont say it maaaan

Rock With You FTW.

R.I.P

for those interested, in Efnet / channel #Altrock you canfind the entire Michael Jackson discography.

Are you guys all crazy?  He fucked little boys.  Fuck him

its funny but im not really surprised...he's been in pretty terrible condition for a human being for many years now..you cant tell me all those operations did any good for his health.

none the less, its sad, he was , and IS a legend. its a terrible loss to teh music biz

R.I.P wacko jacko

Keep in mind,no matter how creepy he was and no matter what stupid shit he did,some of your idols admire the crap outta him. And before he was a freak,he was an awesome musician that paved the way for many artists. All celebrities/sports stars are child molesters,wife beaters,spouse killers,theives,alcoholics,drug addicts,adulterers.... if we based our admiration of people by the way they lived their lives,we'd have nobody to admire. With that said,I do not condone child molestation. But I do blame his horrible childhood on the person he became. /rant

There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.
But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.
I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.
I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours' and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.
I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again. - Andrew Sullivan

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Quote from: penguin in the desert on Jun 26, 2009, 08:21 AM
There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.
But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.
I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.
I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours' and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.
I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again. - Andrew Sullivan

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

oh i thought you said it..
completly agreed..

also no one is perfect..
everyone made a big mistake, arent you..
and that child fuck thing is not completly clear, he can be innocent

and also his 30 years life was so hard cause of his popularty..

yes he deserve to die (in positive meaning)
but not now..
after his reborn...(the new tours and the new album)

The child molestation allegations were clearly the result of money-hungry parents who saw an opportunity in earning some quick millions. As if ANY parent with love for their child would settle for an amount of money IF their child really had been molested.
It's bullshit.

even though this is quite tragic, unexpected, and I respect MJ for his musical career (man oh man - Billie Jean), still, lets not make SUCH a big fuss about it. it will become the hype of the season. if the Obama was the hype of the last season, MJ's death will be this.

nonetheless, rip

Quote from: penguin in the desert on Jun 26, 2009, 08:21 AM
There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.
But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.
I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.
I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours' and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.
I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again. - Andrew Sullivan

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

very good statement. it happens to so many, it always has... the kingdom will round your ears and slant your eyes

Quote from: lostpilot on Jun 26, 2009, 12:20 PM
even though this is quite tragic, unexpected, and I respect MJ for his musical career (man oh man - Billie Jean), still, lets not make SUCH a big fuss about it. it will become the hype of the season. if the Obama was the hype of the last season, MJ's death will be this.

nonetheless, rip

That's retarded. MJ has been around for YEARS and influenced many lives. You can't compare him to Obama. It will continue to be a big  fuss for many because he was a big deal.

I thought this was pretty much to the point.

QuoteLike I'm sure so many people did this morning, I listened to "Thriller" on the way to work. I haven't listened to that album in its entirety in years. It's fantastic, really, and holds up far better than I thought it would.

Before I get too into this, let me just say: my public persona is decidedly unsentimental and insensitive. I cracked jokes about Jackson's death and laughed when other people did so yesterday (and likely will for weeks to come). He was amazing, and a peerless entertainer, but was completely fucked up and pretty goddamn scary. Besides, there is not much in this world I can't laugh at. You laugh, or you go insane. That being said, I don't get maudlin very often, so feel free to skip this one if you want to always think of me as a hard-ass bitch.

Anyway, while listening to "Thriller" this morning, memories started flooding back, ones I didn't even realize were buried in the archives. Sitting on my brother's bed in our shared bedroom, listening to "Thriller" fucking endlessly on a portable cassette player with tinny, muffled speakers. Begging my mother to rent the "Thriller" video on VHS and then being scared shitless by it. Watching "Beat It" about a thousand damn times at a friend's house until we got the choreography down. Trying to moonwalk at another friend's house across her living room floor in our socks. I was only six when it aired, but to this day, my father says that Jackson's moonwalk on the Motown TV special was one of the most spectacular things he's ever seen. I even remember when music videos were so important that they would show his new ones during prime-time network TV (after "The Simpsons", say). You'd talk about it the next day at school, whether you were seven or seventeen, because you still frigging cared – on some level – what this dude did.

So, remembering all this weird, archaic, pleasant stuff from my childhood, I actually started to tear up. Not for Michael Jackson, of course, but for myself. When the symbols and icons of your youth die, it's like shutting the door to a room you wish you could go back into. When the people you grew up with – personally or culturally – stop existing, it seems like your childhood gets another step further away. Without those touchstones to spur memories, your early years seem more like something you saw on TV or read in a book or imagined, and less like something you actually lived. An easier, more innocent time is long past, time marches relentlessly on, and life only gets fucking harder and harder.

This is far, far less eloquent than I would like it to be, but it's hard to put into words. It's not the loss of Michael Jackson that has me so upset. He was one of the overarching symbols of what was probably the best part of my life. And it's the loss of that which has me a bit inconsolable this morning.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 26, 2009, 04:38 PM
I thought this was pretty much to the point.

QuoteLike I'm sure so many people did this morning, I listened to "Thriller" on the way to work. I haven't listened to that album in its entirety in years. It's fantastic, really, and holds up far better than I thought it would.

Before I get too into this, let me just say: my public persona is decidedly unsentimental and insensitive. I cracked jokes about Jackson's death and laughed when other people did so yesterday (and likely will for weeks to come). He was amazing, and a peerless entertainer, but was completely fucked up and pretty goddamn scary. Besides, there is not much in this world I can't laugh at. You laugh, or you go insane. That being said, I don't get maudlin very often, so feel free to skip this one if you want to always think of me as a hard-ass bitch.

Anyway, while listening to "Thriller" this morning, memories started flooding back, ones I didn't even realize were buried in the archives. Sitting on my brother's bed in our shared bedroom, listening to "Thriller" fucking endlessly on a portable cassette player with tinny, muffled speakers. Begging my mother to rent the "Thriller" video on VHS and then being scared shitless by it. Watching "Beat It" about a thousand damn times at a friend's house until we got the choreography down. Trying to moonwalk at another friend's house across her living room floor in our socks. I was only six when it aired, but to this day, my father says that Jackson's moonwalk on the Motown TV special was one of the most spectacular things he's ever seen. I even remember when music videos were so important that they would show his new ones during prime-time network TV (after "The Simpsons", say). You'd talk about it the next day at school, whether you were seven or seventeen, because you still frigging cared – on some level – what this dude did.

So, remembering all this weird, archaic, pleasant stuff from my childhood, I actually started to tear up. Not for Michael Jackson, of course, but for myself. When the symbols and icons of your youth die, it's like shutting the door to a room you wish you could go back into. When the people you grew up with – personally or culturally – stop existing, it seems like your childhood gets another step further away. Without those touchstones to spur memories, your early years seem more like something you saw on TV or read in a book or imagined, and less like something you actually lived. An easier, more innocent time is long past, time marches relentlessly on, and life only gets fucking harder and harder.

This is far, far less eloquent than I would like it to be, but it's hard to put into words. It's not the loss of Michael Jackson that has me so upset. He was one of the overarching symbols of what was probably the best part of my life. And it's the loss of that which has me a bit inconsolable this morning.

well said

Quote from: Crazylegs on Jun 25, 2009, 10:36 PM
Hey hey, let's stay positive. This hasn't been confirmed yet has it? just some fucking gossip site that wrote it.

If it is indeed true, this sucks. I have tickets for a concert in july aswell. fuck!

It actually WAS NOT just some "gossip site" that wrote it... It was FOX NEWS....

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 26, 2009, 05:25 PM

Quote from: Crazylegs on Jun 25, 2009, 10:36 PM
Hey hey, let's stay positive. This hasn't been confirmed yet has it? just some fucking gossip site that wrote it.

If it is indeed true, this sucks. I have tickets for a concert in july aswell. fuck!

It actually WAS NOT just some "gossip site" that wrote it... It was FOX NEWS....

Lmao

Quote from: lostpilot on Jun 26, 2009, 12:20 PM
even though this is quite tragic, unexpected, and I respect MJ for his musical career (man oh man - Billie Jean), still, lets not make SUCH a big fuss about it. it will become the hype of the season. if the Obama was the hype of the last season, MJ's death will be this

Make no fucking fuss about it?

What the fuck are you not understanding?

The king of pop. Dead. This is horrible and a fucking tragedy.

Give the man the biggest funeral in the universe.

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 26, 2009, 05:25 PM

Quote from: Crazylegs on Jun 25, 2009, 10:36 PM
Hey hey, let's stay positive. This hasn't been confirmed yet has it? just some fucking gossip site that wrote it.

If it is indeed true, this sucks. I have tickets for a concert in july aswell. fuck!

It actually WAS NOT just some "gossip site" that wrote it... It was FOX NEWS....

the first site to confirm it was tmz.com or some shit like that.

TMZ was first.  They reported he was dead just after 5:20est, around 45 minutes before any other media outlet.

god damn...eveyones dying...

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 26, 2009, 04:27 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Jun 26, 2009, 12:20 PM
even though this is quite tragic, unexpected, and I respect MJ for his musical career (man oh man - Billie Jean), still, lets not make SUCH a big fuss about it. it will become the hype of the season. if the Obama was the hype of the last season, MJ's death will be this.

nonetheless, rip

That's retarded. MJ has been around for YEARS and influenced many lives. You can't compare him to Obama. It will continue to be a big  fuss for many because he was a big deal.

I agree with you completely. But that's what the people do. The tabloids will suck on this for like two weeks with lame conspiracies of overdose suicide etc.

Quote from: Penicks on Jun 26, 2009, 06:31 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Jun 26, 2009, 12:20 PM
even though this is quite tragic, unexpected, and I respect MJ for his musical career (man oh man - Billie Jean), still, lets not make SUCH a big fuss about it. it will become the hype of the season. if the Obama was the hype of the last season, MJ's death will be this

Make no fucking fuss about it?

What the fuck are you not understanding?

The king of pop. Dead. This is horrible and a fucking tragedy.

Give the man the biggest funeral in the universe.

I said don't make SUCH a big fuss. I open up my online newspaper - and there's SEVEN newslines about the same thing. I mean, come on, people - isn't one enough? Yes, I greatly appreciate what MJ did to music/media overall, but I don't believe any person would be happy if after his death tabloids would live off what is left of his memory and all the fcking RUMORS of all things he did or did not. how many people do you think now are discussing his child molesting/surgery/drug use over the internet?

that's my point. RIP is okay. another HUGE fcking scandal from every little detail is not.

^^that.
entire internetz are talking about it. Talking talking and talking. Yeah he was pop hero. But there are a lot of  bigger heroes worth talking about.

Quote from: ben on Jun 26, 2009, 06:09 AM
in a way, we killed this dude.  I guess I'm one of the few that believe the dude was just a kid in a man's body who never jerked boys off...

I'm withy ou on that. he had a very messed up childhood. And I don't believe for a minute that he abused or molested children. I just don't.

I'm very, very sad about this. The last time I felt this shocked and upset over a celebrity dying it was Kurt Cobain. But this is just crazy and terribly tragic to me. I barely listen to Nirvana anymore, yet Michael Jackson is someone I listen to at least a couple of times a week.

Quote from: penguin in the desert on Jun 26, 2009, 11:15 AM
The child molestation allegations were clearly the result of money-hungry parents who saw an opportunity in earning some quick millions. As if ANY parent with love for their child would settle for an amount of money IF their child really had been molested.
It's bullshit.

My exact thoughts.

I'm not a parent, but if someone fucks with my child in the future I'm not settling out of court for some $$, I'm looking to send that person to prison. Unbelievable.

Quote from: Zevaka on Jun 26, 2009, 09:19 PM
^^that.
Yeah he was pop hero. But there are a lot of  bigger heroes worth talking about.

who ? justin timberlake ?


the organizatior of MJ's Istanbul concert talked yesterday about him. An interview ;

- So what kind of person he was ? Did he want so much things  ? Was he assuming ?
- It was interesting. I never met someone like him before. Before the Istanbul concert he closed the cinema and he watched Jurassic Park for 3 times. Like a child..He got popcorn and coke and stuffs...Just like a child.

Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

I don't know, but I'm happy I'm not you. Jeez, shitty world you live in if you don't like his music.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

You're definitely part of a minority.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

That's just sad Trey.  I would expect you of all people to enjoy Beat It.   ;)

Quote from: Moz on Jun 27, 2009, 12:18 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

I don't know, but I'm happy I'm not you. Jeez, shitty world you live in if you don't like his music.

For real?  I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why.  I mean I get the end of an era type shit, but I dont get why they like his music so much.  Its not that good. 
I mean, sure billie jean is catchy as fuck.  But its everything I hate about "music"  He didn't write any of that.  It all got put together for him and performed in a studio.  I haven't found a live performance on youtube where he is not lip syncing.  Which tells me that without a studio, his caliber of performance probably goes way down.  He was a creation of the industry.  All this music wasn't made for artistic purposes, it was made for money.  I hate that.  And sure, he can dance, and its cool.  But what the fuck does that have to do with music?  To me, he isn't a musician and his songs aren't music.  He is a entertainer and his songs are just entertainment.  And to me, most of them aren't all that entertaining......................
and I get that not everybody thinks like me and thats cool and all.  But I could just as easily say that I feel sorry for your life if you do like this bull shit.  That your world must be shitty if you are entertained by this simpleton bull shit.  But I'm not saying that, guess I'm just not as vain as you.

Quote from: Crazylegs on Jun 27, 2009, 01:53 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

You're definitely part of a minority.

I do think the moon walk is really cool (in reference to you avatar).  I remember seeing him do that at the superbowl ( I think in 93 ) I was in 1st or 2nd grade and it blew my mind. 

Quote from: mrs_swa on Jun 27, 2009, 02:43 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 08:59 AM
Am I the only one that find his music totally lame?

That's just sad Trey.  I would expect you of all people to enjoy Beat It.   ;)

Well, I don't know why its sad.  But I'm going to go listen to beat it now seeing as how the only version I have ever heard of that song was by the chipmunks

Variable. Just. Wow. Shut up.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 04:08 PM
I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why. 

you heard them now ?
thats your problem...


omg...im genius !

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 04:08 PM
For real?  I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why.  I mean I get the end of an era type shit, but I dont get why they like his music so much.  Its not that good. 

Sure,if you listen to it now it's a little off from what you're used to,but growing up with it,he made some bad ass tunes. I wouldn't expect someone that didn't listen to them often before now to appreciate what he brought to the table. I'm glad to have grown up in the 80's and got to fully appreciate his talent.  I think this will alway's be my fave.  :)

[youtube=425,350]4_hz2am90Hk[/youtube]


and this


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and this

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fuck...there wasn't much I didn't like.

Quote from: Penicks on Jun 27, 2009, 05:14 PM
Variable. Just. Wow. Shut up.

no

Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 27, 2009, 05:40 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 04:08 PM
I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why. 

you heard them now ?
thats your problem...


omg...im genius !

..........................?

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 27, 2009, 08:17 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2009, 04:08 PM
For real?  I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why.  I mean I get the end of an era type shit, but I dont get why they like his music so much.  Its not that good. 

Sure,if you listen to it now it's a little off from what you're used to,but growing up with it,he made some bad ass tunes. I wouldn't expect someone that didn't listen to them often before now to appreciate what he brought to the table. I'm glad to have grown up in the 80's and got to fully appreciate his talent.  I think this will alway's be my fave.  :)

[youtube=425,350]4_hz2am90Hk[/youtube]


and this


[youtube=425,350]7hK3Y1Ehv9c[/youtube]

and this

[youtube=425,350]YJpLGQpngDI[/youtube]


fuck...there wasn't much I didn't like.

Yeah.  Believe it or not I'm not completely stupid.  I did take into consideration that he was the first to do a lot of this.  I took into consideration the time he came up in.  But I'm just not a pop music fan at all. 

Then no reason to question why people like his music. You don't like pop,some of us do. That's fairly easy to understand.

i never really got into his  music, but MJ did set out a path or rather projected a path which a lotta musicans strived for, now me besides billie jean and thriller idk anything else bout him musiclly, but to me those songs was great..even still with all the allegations and stories about him..what the peeps on here been saying is true:no ones perfect im our Tones boys Puff the Magic Dragon, i mean no ones god...anyways thats my take.

"Do think twice!"

So...have you all forgotten that he was the anti-christ?

Yeah apparently they have. Thats crazy, to reach the point of stardom where people don't even care that you fucked little kids.  Say what you will about no one being perfect.  Chino may get high, but I doubt he fucks little kids.  There is a really big difference between victimless crimes and child molesting.

Some of you say that no parents would settle if their kids actually did get molested.  Well I say that if you're innocent, you don't pay out $22,000,000.00 + to settle out of court and let your name be tarnished forever.  Multiple members of his family even said they thought him to be a pedophile ( yes I know that La Toya later retracted her statements ) But I remember that one of his brothers never retracted the statement.  Jacko even admitted to sleeping in the same bed as children and making negligent judgement calls when it came to how he treated children on Neverland.  The trial against him was a civil suit.  If I were MJ, and I was innocent, I would have gone to trial to prove it.  The kid was even able to give descriptions of his penis and doctors said that there were strong similarities to the boys description and the strip search they did of MJ......... That being said, Evan Chandler seems like a total douche, and no one knows for sure what happened.  But I'm not so quick to dismiss all that. 

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 27, 2009, 08:31 PM
Then no reason to question why people like his music. You don't like pop,some of us do. That's fairly easy to understand.

Yes I know this.  I guess it just more so blows my mind that some of you with seemingly good taste in music actually like this stuff.  Thats the whole reason I started going to band message boards in the first place.  I got sick of not knowing anyone who didn't think this pre fabricated MTV bull shit, sucked.  More power to you guys though.  There are a couple of you that are my friends who seem to care a lot.  So I guess that I care that you guys care. 

I will say this in defense of him though.  I really wish the media could be more respectful.  They are going to pick apart every aspect of his death.  I see this getting totally out of control.  Oh no, they found prescription drugs in his system.  However that is public info, I have no idea ( see HIPPA ).  But they really wont let anyone famous die with any dignity anymore. 

Thriller was pretty rad...but he fucked kids.

Also, I wonder if La Toya is dead or missing...

Where is Janet?  I want to fuck her tits.  The news should show more of her.

Ew.

variable, you are sick
necro, how do you know he fucked kids

he created his own style, own fashion, own music, own dance..everyone just copied it.
and my guess he is a good person also has an awesome voice and talented at music
his all video clips are part of art !
he is one of the biggest music-man ever.

so shut the fuck up and watch this.

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Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 28, 2009, 08:14 AM
necro, how do you know he fucked kids

Charged on multiple accounts, once settled out of court for 22,000,000, he himself admitted on tape to sharing his bed with young boys, and he was not right in the head.

The fact that you think he didn't molest children based on the fact that you are a fan of his is fucking moronic. Actually read about the trialS. Dude was fucking guilty. Dude was a sick man. Dude didn't deserve to live. What kind of world do we live in when someone who is clearly guilty of something that is clearly sick and wrong can get away with something that obscene just because of fame? Fuck. Pull your fucking head out, world.

so i was the judge and who decided ''he is not guilty''

who was paid tons of money to save MJ's public posture

No shit.

Michael was all orignal. one of the best of all time

truly, the undisputed king of pop

the first song i ever called "my favorite song" was "beat it", when the thriller album was new & blowing up like no album ever has. i was really young (3, 4, 5), but i knew how good the stuff he was doing was. the early-mid 80s was Michael mania. it dwarfs how big n'sync, etc got.

i'm 30 now =/  (still love his tunes)

it's weird, i feel bad for him. i have a heavy heart for him. he had a hard life. Joe Jackson did a serious number on those kids. i can understand why Michael was so weird. he never got to have a childhood, Joe made them work on music all day long, beat their asses, etc. he was one unique guy. inocent, like he stayed in child mode his whole life. i dont think he mostested any kids. i dont think he thought like that

Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 25, 2009, 10:53 PM
pop will never be cool again

dude thats the single most clear statement, ive read about mj's death.

michael most certainly was a but fucked in the head but i'm sure he never had any evil or bad intentions. he just wanted to make up for his shitty childhood.

Very much so. :(

QuoteFor real?  I have been listening to all his stuff and watching his videos for the past 2 days because some of the guys at my work are all upset and I just don't get why.  I mean I get the end of an era type shit, but I dont get why they like his music so much.  Its not that good. 
I mean, sure billie jean is catchy as fuck.  But its everything I hate about "music"  He didn't write any of that.  It all got put together for him and performed in a studio.  I haven't found a live performance on youtube where he is not lip syncing.  Which tells me that without a studio, his caliber of performance probably goes way down.  He was a creation of the industry.  All this music wasn't made for artistic purposes, it was made for money.  I hate that.  And sure, he can dance, and its cool.  But what the fuck does that have to do with music?  To me, he isn't a musician and his songs aren't music.  He is a entertainer and his songs are just entertainment.  And to me, most of them aren't all that entertaining......................

He did write a lot of his older hits and the technology around then didn't feature things like antares autotuners and things so that gives it more backing I guess. Anyway, each to their own, if you don't like it, that's fair/

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 28, 2009, 04:52 PM
Very much so. :(

22 million dollars is an awful large amount for an innocent person to pay to get someone to shut up.

Eeh whatever. No point in arguing it now is there? We have our way of thinking about it,you have yours. Apples and oranges.


On another note,Billy Mays,the irritating pitch dude died today too.

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 28, 2009, 05:23 PM

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 28, 2009, 04:52 PM
Very much so. :(

22 million dollars is an awful large amount for an innocent person to pay to get someone to shut up.

to Michael that was chump change though(he spent more than that at one time all the time), & i think he was glad to just have it over as soon as possible, cause it was taking such a huge toll on him. i dont think he thought it would make him look more guilty(he wasnt the most logical guy). the 2nd trial he was found inocent. i think had the first trial continued they would have found him inocent as well

I've let this simma a few days to see if I feel any differently aobut it.   My take is... I do like alot of his music... I DO NOT like him.   He hasn't done shit worthwile in at least the past 10 years.   I don't give a shit whether or not its true or NOT about the little boys.. Fact is he paid a SHIT TON of money to make it go away... Innocent people don't normally do it.       Another issue is.... if any of us and I DO MEAN ANY of us were that much in debt and "losing our home"  we would have all been evicted and we wouldn't have press all over about it.   HE did not get evicted, but it was ALL over the place.    I don't like that he's gone.. but if he DID do what they CLAIM he did... Good for him.     I can look back and appreciate his work...   but I don't think I actually mourn the loss.   Too many VERY talented people have died... it's a shame.    


And I don't think that Michael looked at 22 M as Chump Change.... THIS man even DEAD is in DEEP DEBT.

he should work on the music...not on his face

that was his obvious mistake

but we gotta understand that, he just want to seem beautiful, he got the money, and there werent any friend of him who would say ''dont do it, be yourself''

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 28, 2009, 07:23 PM

And I don't think that Michael looked at 22 M as Chump Change.... THIS man even DEAD is in DEEP DEBT.

that's the thing, he'd spend so much at one time, not even thinking about the concept of money, or that it could run out. from the time he was little he had money, & fame. with the abuse, etc. he didnt think straight, he was one of a kind. it's a sad story, i dont think many people would have changed places with him. then his plastic surgeons screwed his face up so bad everyone called him a freak, etc, on top of the odd childish way he lived. he just had it rough.

he made great tunes & videos

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 28, 2009, 08:14 PM
he made great tunes & videos

And thats the point right there.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 28, 2009, 06:40 PM
Eeh whatever. No point in arguing it now is there? We have our way of thinking about it,you have yours. Apples and oranges.


On another note,Billy Mays,the irritating pitch dude died today too.

whaaaaat? He was just on conan the other day!!

i hope thriller, & a bunch of his cds tear the charts up again in the coming weeks

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 28, 2009, 08:30 PM
i hope thriller, & a bunch of his cds tear the charts up again in the coming weeks

I was reading that even though he was a financial mess,these next few weeks would more than get things right,because record sales will be through the roof.

i knew it. the whole board is mourning abot an antisemite!

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4831_12.htm

Lol

Quote from: lithium on Jun 28, 2009, 08:19 PM

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 28, 2009, 06:40 PM
Eeh whatever. No point in arguing it now is there? We have our way of thinking about it,you have yours. Apples and oranges.


On another note,Billy Mays,the irritating pitch dude died today too.

whaaaaat? He was just on conan the other day!!

yeah wtf. he was cool on conan, and seemed fine.

This topic in chit chat? Thats's just poor.
But I think a moderator felt forced because all of the gossip talked by some members. Why don't you focus on his musical accomplishment?

In my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture? Or doesn't it count for celebrities? You can discuss this topics later on....

Quote from: reimdaheim on Jun 28, 2009, 10:45 PM
This topic in chit chat? Thats's just poor.
But I think a moderator felt forced because all of the gossip talked by some members. Why don't you focus on his musical accomplishment?

In my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture? Or doesn't it count for celebrities? You can discuss this topics later on....

yeah we have that thing too but its not a rule

nothing wrong on this topic, ramstain

Quote from: reimdaheim on Jun 28, 2009, 10:45 PM
In my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture? Or doesn't it count for celebrities? You can discuss this topics later on....

You know,I posted on my facebook a few day's ago "de mortuis nil nisi bonum ~ Let nothing be said of the dead but what is good." to which someone later replied and  said "Adolf Hitler was a hell of a motivational speaker." ................yeah.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 28, 2009, 09:25 PM
i knew it. the whole board is mourning abot an antisemite!

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4831_12.htm

lol, jesus christ that made me laugh hard.

Quote from: reimdaheim on Jun 28, 2009, 10:45 PM
This topic in chit chat? Thats's just poor.
But I think a moderator felt forced because all of the gossip talked by some members. Why don't you focus on his musical accomplishment?

In my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture? Or doesn't it count for celebrities? You can discuss this topics later on....

Holy fucking shit.  Shut the fuck up and go away forever.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 28, 2009, 11:14 PM

Quote from: reimdaheim on Jun 28, 2009, 10:45 PM
In my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture? Or doesn't it count for celebrities? You can discuss this topics later on....

You know,I posted on my facebook a few day's ago "de mortuis nil nisi bonum ~ Let nothing be said of the dead but what is good." to which someone later replied and  said "Adolf Hitler was a hell of a motivational speaker." ................yeah.

I don't really see why it matters.  They are dead, its not like they care.  I let what people say about you after you die be a testament to your life.

QuoteIn my culture( Germany)...there exists a rule: "Never talk rude about dead people."  Is that not common in your culture?

do i smell racism?

oh yeah!

Obviously he's racist against white people because I'm white and he was talking to me.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 29, 2009, 04:17 AM
Obviously he's racist against white people because I'm white and he was talking to me.

you are not white
you are a shit shaped snake

ok sorry.

correct terms are nationalism and chauvinism!

hate to say it but im gona have to go ahead and sort of agree with the invariable asshole

Im 25, so I was just barely too young to really be a fan of MJ as a kid during the hysteria, but I have never understood the worship.  Yea billie jean, beat it, a few others are ALRIGHT, but so the fuck what.  Id rather listen to the whole Creedence Clearwater Revival anthology (a REAL band) than one MJ song right now.  His popularity made him popular.  I remeber seeing free willy and then saw that shit video of the white micheal in front of the giant fans with the unbuttoned shirt and thinking, "this sux".  Then when I enquired about this MIcheal Jackson character I was informed he was/is the greatest artist/performer/dancer/fag on earth. 

Well, I honestly don't see it.  Yea he made some mediocre industry manufactured pop hits in the early 80s, big fucking deal

He was just some guy that bleached his skin (which still remains mind blowingly fucked up, I mean seriously) , who had a stellar career in the cold calculating world of high production, low artistic value shit music for the masses, whose basically done nothing of positive note in two decades, that died

RIP

but i think we should save our earth shaking awe and respect for scientists that find cures, valiant revolutionarys that brought peace and justice to a people, or steven spielberg

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_concert_rehearsal#45489

god damnit, looks like it was going to be quite the show. apparently the rehearsals were filmed. Hopefully they'll be released in some form in the future.

omg

Quote from: ben on Jun 26, 2009, 06:09 AM
in a way, we killed this dude.  I guess I'm one of the few that believe the dude was just a kid in a man's body who never jerked boys off...

I agree bro. He was just a kid that was never given the chance to grow up.

At least all the  molesting shit will be forgotten now.

Its is weird how people perception of a person change instantly once he's dead

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 28, 2009, 07:23 PM
And I don't think that Michael looked at 22 M as Chump Change.... THIS man even DEAD is in DEEP DEBT.

Not anymore. Have you checked out his sales and charts? Death is the best way to get debt free...who would have thought it....

I haven't really said much about the issue but Michael Jackson was such a talent it's ridiculous.  He essentially created what music videos are today.  He went to big name film directors to create these visually stunning representations of his songs.  Now you might be saying that you don't really like his videos or they're overrated, and that's fine.  But consider this: if it wasn't for Michael's idea to have original music videos like he did, we would not have some of the film directors we have today such as David Fincher.  You might think I'm stretching things a little bit but you can't deny his creativity. 


   

Quote from: nonesuch on Jun 29, 2009, 01:12 PM
hate to say it but im gona have to go ahead and sort of agree with the invariable asshole

Im 25, so I was just barely too young to really be a fan of MJ as a kid during the hysteria, but I have never understood the worship.  Yea billie jean, beat it, a few others are ALRIGHT, but so the fuck what.  Id rather listen to the whole Creedence Clearwater Revival anthology (a REAL band) than one MJ song right now.  His popularity made him popular.  I remeber seeing free willy and then saw that shit video of the white micheal in front of the giant fans with the unbuttoned shirt and thinking, "this sux".  Then when I enquired about this MIcheal Jackson character I was informed he was/is the greatest artist/performer/dancer/fag on earth. 

Well, I honestly don't see it.  Yea he made some mediocre industry manufactured pop hits in the early 80s, big fucking deal

He was just some guy that bleached his skin (which still remains mind blowingly fucked up, I mean seriously) , who had a stellar career in the cold calculating world of high production, low artistic value shit music for the masses, whose basically done nothing of positive note in two decades, that died

RIP

but i think we should save our earth shaking awe and respect for scientists that find cures, valiant revolutionarys that brought peace and justice to a people, or steven spielberg

Let's make babies.

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 28, 2009, 08:21 AM

Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 28, 2009, 08:14 AM
necro, how do you know he fucked kids

Charged on multiple accounts, once settled out of court for 22,000,000, he himself admitted on tape to sharing his bed with young boys, and he was not right in the head.

The fact that you think he didn't molest children based on the fact that you are a fan of his is fucking moronic. Actually read about the trialS. Dude was fucking guilty. Dude was a sick man. Dude didn't deserve to live. What kind of world do we live in when someone who is clearly guilty of something that is clearly sick and wrong can get away with something that obscene just because of fame? Fuck. Pull your fucking head out, world.

How does someone who according to you, definitely sexually abuses children, retain custody of 3 children?

Jus sayin...

Because he was never convicted? Pretty easy answer if you ask me...

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 12:54 AM
Because he was never convicted? Pretty easy answer if you ask me...

Yeah he was never convicted because the alleged victim's gold-digging parents never cared to find out if he was guilty - because apparently money erases everything for them.

It's very possible he did do those things, but I'd like to believe that he didn't. And regardless, my feeling is that the "victim's" parents are just as bad if not worse than he is if he was guilty, for deciding that a large sum of $$ is more important than their child's physical/emotional health.

I'm not trying to argue anything, I just think that what we know is limited and it doesn't hurt to look at this from all angles instead of placing judgement based upon what the media reported.

Are you a fan of his music?

Quote from: Shaye on Jun 30, 2009, 12:43 AM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 28, 2009, 08:21 AM
Charged on multiple accounts, once settled out of court for 22,000,000, he himself admitted on tape to sharing his bed with young boys, and he was not right in the head.

The fact that you think he didn't molest children based on the fact that you are a fan of his is fucking moronic. Actually read about the trialS. Dude was fucking guilty. Dude was a sick man. Dude didn't deserve to live. What kind of world do we live in when someone who is clearly guilty of something that is clearly sick and wrong can get away with something that obscene just because of fame? Fuck. Pull your fucking head out, world.

dumbest post ever? Are you just trying to be original and having a go at people that don't agree with you? He didn't get away with anything because of his fame. The trials did ruin his career, yes he slept in the same bed as kids, but never saw it as a sexual thing. I sleep in the same bed as my daughter. Does that mean I'm abusing her.

And, why was he not right in the head? Cause he was a bit weird and maybe his tastes didn't agrre with you? Yes he was weird, but he also had the balls to be himself
Just because he's different doesn't mean he's guilty!

The guy never had a childhood of his own, he was trying to live through others and it was pretty messed up. Then you add painkillers, a theme park and a monkey into the mix....

Quote from: indychinoluv on Jun 30, 2009, 02:00 AM

Quote from: Shaye on Jun 30, 2009, 12:43 AM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 28, 2009, 08:21 AM
Charged on multiple accounts, once settled out of court for 22,000,000, he himself admitted on tape to sharing his bed with young boys, and he was not right in the head.

The fact that you think he didn't molest children based on the fact that you are a fan of his is fucking moronic. Actually read about the trialS. Dude was fucking guilty. Dude was a sick man. Dude didn't deserve to live. What kind of world do we live in when someone who is clearly guilty of something that is clearly sick and wrong can get away with something that obscene just because of fame? Fuck. Pull your fucking head out, world.

dumbest post ever? Are you just trying to be original and having a go at people that don't agree with you? He didn't get away with anything because of his fame. The trials did ruin his career, yes he slept in the same bed as kids, but never saw it as a sexual thing. I sleep in the same bed as my daughter. Does that mean I'm abusing her.

And, why was he not right in the head? Cause he was a bit weird and maybe his tastes didn't agrre with you? Yes he was weird, but he also had the balls to be himself
Just because he's different doesn't mean he's guilty!

No, but the evidence says he's guilty. Sorry for having offended you with my opinion.

looks like Michael Jackson will have the #1, 2, & 3 albums on the billboard top 200 this thursday. and at least 7 of his cds will be top 50. well deserved

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 05:17 AM

Quote from: indychinoluv on Jun 30, 2009, 02:00 AM

Quote from: Shaye on Jun 30, 2009, 12:43 AM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 28, 2009, 08:21 AM
Charged on multiple accounts, once settled out of court for 22,000,000, he himself admitted on tape to sharing his bed with young boys, and he was not right in the head.

The fact that you think he didn't molest children based on the fact that you are a fan of his is fucking moronic. Actually read about the trialS. Dude was fucking guilty. Dude was a sick man. Dude didn't deserve to live. What kind of world do we live in when someone who is clearly guilty of something that is clearly sick and wrong can get away with something that obscene just because of fame? Fuck. Pull your fucking head out, world.

dumbest post ever? Are you just trying to be original and having a go at people that don't agree with you? He didn't get away with anything because of his fame. The trials did ruin his career, yes he slept in the same bed as kids, but never saw it as a sexual thing. I sleep in the same bed as my daughter. Does that mean I'm abusing her.

And, why was he not right in the head? Cause he was a bit weird and maybe his tastes didn't agrre with you? Yes he was weird, but he also had the balls to be himself
Just because he's different doesn't mean he's guilty!

No, but the evidence says he's guilty. Sorry for having offended you with my opinion.

So you should be sorry. Its OK though. You're only human

Why should I be sorry? When I am sorry, I am sorry and I am definitely not sorry. A death does not change an opinion of a man. Before he died I though he was a demon and after he died I thought he was a demon. Simple.

looks like someone was molested by michael jackson.

BURN~

Sad but true.

dude, dont say things like that

he is dead even if he was a bad person which i am not agree you should send your good wishes

Okay. RIP Hitler.

::)

if you didnt like him, just stay out of this topic. there's no reason to come in here & trash him(he got that his whole life), we're trying to be possitive & give him his props

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 09:39 AM
Okay. RIP Hitler.

::)

i was sure you are gonna say that EXACTLY (you know im a genius)

yes, RIP hitler....no can really know who doesnt deserve rest in peace

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 09:39 AM
Okay. RIP Hitler.

::)

comparing MJ to Hitler?

wow.

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 30, 2009, 09:45 AM
if you didnt like him, just stay out of this topic. there's no reason to come in here & trash him(he got that his whole life), we're trying to be possitive & give him his props

^5

I tried to find the old thread where a lot of ya'll talked about Chris Benoit,and how awesome ya'll thought he was and whatnot...yet he KILLED a child. I just find that odd,that you can praise some nobody wrestler jacked up on roids who killed a child,yet talk shit about a musical icon that was never convicted of the accusations against him.   

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 09:39 AM
Okay. RIP Hitler.

::)

do i see historical revisionism.

oh you made this ironic smiley.

phew :)

this topic is asinine.

Quote from: bIondie on Jun 30, 2009, 06:51 PM
this topic is asinine.

so take your blondie girl and get away from here  :)

(genius said it, do it)

Quote from: aenemic on Jun 30, 2009, 01:01 PM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 09:39 AM
Okay. RIP Hitler.

::)

comparing MJ to Hitler?

wow.

No, I'm making a point.

im really shocked that billy mays died..... i loved that guy

Hated his commercials but he seemed like a pretty okay guy to me.

Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 30, 2009, 08:12 PM
so take your blondie girl and get away from here  :)

(genius said it, do it)

stop with the genius shit, you sound like an idiot

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 05:17 AM
No, but the evidence says he's guilty. Sorry for having offended you with my opinion.

But you did say sorry...and I accept it. case closed

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 30, 2009, 05:23 PM

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 30, 2009, 09:45 AM
if you didnt like him, just stay out of this topic. there's no reason to come in here & trash him(he got that his whole life), we're trying to be possitive & give him his props

^5

I tried to find the old thread where a lot of ya'll talked about Chris Benoit,and how awesome ya'll thought he was and whatnot...yet he KILLED a child. I just find that odd,that you can praise some nobody wrestler jacked up on roids who killed a child,yet talk shit about a musical icon that was never convicted of the accusations against him.   

Nobody wrestlert?!?!?!?!?! He beat Shaun Michaels and HHH in a triple treat for the wwe championship.

i was never much of a Benoit fan really. once i found out what he did(killed himself & his family), i lost any respect for him. hbk is my fav all time. but anyway, back to Michael

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jul 01, 2009, 01:27 AM
i was never much of a Benoit fan really. once i found out what he did(killed himself & his family), i lost any respect for him. hbk is my fav all time. but anyway, back to Michael

Nah, lets derail. HBK is the fucking man. His match against Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25 was amazing

Almost as amazing as this

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc251/unfound_2007/bestever.jpg)

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 01:15 AM
Are you a fan of his music?

I certainly am. Add on top of it the fact that I have a great amount of empathy for people, I don't make judgements off of shit that I really don't know about. My grandfather, a very well educated and insightful psychiatrist taught me a lot, and I am a future educator of children with disabilities and that includes those with emotional/behavioral disorders.

I'm not claiming to be some sort of expert on anything, but my sympathy and reluctance to jump to conclusions has less to do with my being a fan of someone's music and more to do with me being a human being who has a deep interest in why people do the things they do. When most people place judgement, I sit back and put myself in someone else's shoes.

It just seems so easy to make a judgement, but I remember being taught to "treat others as you would want to be treated". And so I do.

All i have to say is Diamond Dallas Page and Karl Malone will forever be the most unstoppable two man force in recorded history


Goldberg was a beast as well

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 30, 2009, 10:32 PM

stop with the genius shit, you sound like an idiot

genius genius genius genius genius genius
genius genius genius genius genius genius
genius genius genius genius genius genius

now you sound like the world's biggest fucking idiot

"its ignorance, your all ignorant"

Micheal Jefferson

"Blanket, let's play"

Quote from: Shaye on Jul 01, 2009, 03:51 AM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 01:15 AM
Are you a fan of his music?

I certainly am. Add on top of it the fact that I have a great amount of empathy for people, I don't make judgements off of shit that I really don't know about. My grandfather, a very well educated and insightful psychiatrist taught me a lot, and I am a future educator of children with disabilities and that includes those with emotional/behavioral disorders.

I'm not claiming to be some sort of expert on anything, but my sympathy and reluctance to jump to conclusions has less to do with my being a fan of someone's music and more to do with me being a human being who has a deep interest in why people do the things they do. When most people place judgement, I sit back and put myself in someone else's shoes.

It just seems so easy to make a judgement, but I remember being taught to "treat others as you would want to be treated". And so I do.

And if I were a child molester, I wouldn't want to be cast out either. Some shit is just unacceptable.

I'm not going to judge MJ and hold him responsible for anything as long as he's not proven guilty in court.

what I will hold him resposible for is the good things he did for people, especially children. no matter how weird he was and what kind of things turned him on sexually, he only wanted the best for everyone in the entire world.

and he was an amazing artist. people who think he lipsynchs and got all his material written for him can just shut the hell up and go to bed because you obviously have no fucking clue. he was an amazing singer, dancer and song writer.

I can't say I'll miss him though because even though I loved him when I was a kid and still enjoy most of his music, he hasn't in any way affected my life in the last 10+ years and I never thought he'd make a worthwhile comeback. to be honest, I think he's finally found the peace he needed. and may he rest well.

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jul 01, 2009, 08:07 AM

Quote from: Shaye on Jul 01, 2009, 03:51 AM

Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 30, 2009, 01:15 AM
Are you a fan of his music?

I certainly am. Add on top of it the fact that I have a great amount of empathy for people, I don't make judgements off of shit that I really don't know about. My grandfather, a very well educated and insightful psychiatrist taught me a lot, and I am a future educator of children with disabilities and that includes those with emotional/behavioral disorders.

I'm not claiming to be some sort of expert on anything, but my sympathy and reluctance to jump to conclusions has less to do with my being a fan of someone's music and more to do with me being a human being who has a deep interest in why people do the things they do. When most people place judgement, I sit back and put myself in someone else's shoes.

It just seems so easy to make a judgement, but I remember being taught to "treat others as you would want to be treated". And so I do.

And if I were a child molester, I wouldn't want to be cast out either. Some shit is just unacceptable.

you have no proof he molested anyone. untilyou do, relax & stop judging him

you have no proof he did not molest anyone.

Quote from: lostpilot on Jul 01, 2009, 03:27 PM
you have no proof he did not molest anyone.

i have no proof you didnt either, so i wont convict you of it. get it?

Quote from: aenemic on Jul 01, 2009, 08:20 AM
I'm not going to judge MJ and hold him responsible for anything as long as he's not proven guilty in court.

what I will hold him resposible for is the good things he did for people, especially children. no matter how weird he was and what kind of things turned him on sexually, he only wanted the best for everyone in the entire world.

and he was an amazing artist. people who think he lipsynchs and got all his material written for him can just shut the hell up and go to bed because you obviously have no fucking clue. he was an amazing singer, dancer and song writer.

I can't say I'll miss him though because even though I loved him when I was a kid and still enjoy most of his music, he hasn't in any way affected my life in the last 10+ years and I never thought he'd make a worthwhile comeback. to be honest, I think he's finally found the peace he needed. and may he rest well.

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jul 01, 2009, 03:36 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Jul 01, 2009, 03:27 PM
you have no proof he did not molest anyone.

i have no proof you didnt either, so i wont convict you of it. get it?

^5 dudes

Quote from: Hidalgo on Jul 01, 2009, 03:36 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Jul 01, 2009, 03:27 PM
you have no proof he did not molest anyone.

i have no proof you didnt either, so i wont convict you of it. get it?

there's still accusations etc. an innocent man will stand straight for his freedom and will not pay 22mil sugar money to soften someones heart

and after all, people, you're taking it all too serious and personal

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/36766608.html#cutid1

Katt Williams did a bit on Michael... and it was incredible....


And he's right....   This has been 16 years...Rumors don't last LONG... truth does...     

If people call you a crackhead for 16 years... you are a fucking crackhead.

Kick ass,Elvis must be alive then!!!!

Quote from: White Pwny on Jul 01, 2009, 09:07 PM
Katt Williams did a bit on Michael... and it was incredible....


And he's right....   This has been 16 years...Rumors don't last LONG... truth does...     

If people call you a crackhead for 16 years... you are a fucking crackhead.

Good point. Believe me I'm not an advocate for the "MJ is NOT a molester group", I'm just not going to go around saying that he absolutely did.

I think that saying rumors don't last that long for your average person is true, but I don't know if you can group famous people into that category. They have rumors documented and spread publicly amongst a much larger group than anyone else so it takes much longer for people to forget them and much easier to go along with them since they don't know the person enough to think any differently.

I guess I'm just going to continue to listen to and enjoy his musical career and hope for the best.   :)

there's people rotting in jail, & that have been put to death that are inocent. just saying, even when convicted(& he wasnt), it's not always true

yea and being "proved"  innocent (especially a filthy rich(ish) mega celebrity) doesnt necessary make you innocent either

so it's between him & God. no need for us to get out our jump to conclusions mats

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Sorry , I'm a little a bit late.
My post was not meant racist at all. I just expected that MJ's accomplishment would be discussed here in a different way. And I didn't want to attack any person on this board! I just thought sharinglungs would be different to tabloid press.....

Quote from: Shaye on Jul 02, 2009, 01:23 AM
I think that saying rumors don't last that long for your average person is true, but I don't know if you can group famous people into that category.

of course not. if the press writes something about such a big celebrity just once, it will follow him/her forever.

as for using the fact that MJ paid $22 million for the first accusations to go away, how about this: what would it have cost him to keep going with all the trials, attorneys, etc? look at what happened the second time - he got ruined and knee deep in depth.

hey i haven't been around here much. i love jackson's music. when i heard he died and how he died i instantly thought of the song "Morphine"

in the begining of the song

"He got flat baby
Kick in the back baby
A heart attack baby "

near the end of the song

"Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Hee-hee-hee
Demerol
Demerol
Oh my Oh God it's Demerol
Hee
Oooh"


sorry if this has been pointed out i didn't read all 8 pages of this thread.

i really want to some metal band turn his ''morphine''  to a rock song (it still rocks tho)

off the wall is such a underated track

I don't think it's underrated at all man, millions of people love that song, and the "of the wall" album is cosidered a classic.

He's gonna be buried without his brain so no doubt it will be on eBay in a few months.

what the fuck? why without his brain?

because its just that awesome

It's because they are still testing to find out what drugs actually killed him and they are testing his brain. Maybe they will keep it like Einsteins brain.

yeah just heard on the radio. apparantly they can't examine the brain until it's hardened/dried up a bit. yuck.

but yeah, this way maybe we can get him back sometime in the far future. that would be cool. as a  pedophile zombie.

THRILLER!

LOL!!! And eww.

Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jul 06, 2009, 10:57 AM
It's because they are still testing to find out what drugs actually killed him and they are testing his brain. Maybe they will keep it like Einsteins brain.

we killed him by thinking about him so much

But don't they usually rely on toxicology to determine what drugs were used? This makes no sense. And why are all those stories coming from London? He's not even in London,so why would they get the first hand on this info??

Quote from: wither-I on Jul 06, 2009, 06:04 PM

Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jul 06, 2009, 10:57 AM
It's because they are still testing to find out what drugs actually killed him and they are testing his brain. Maybe they will keep it like Einsteins brain.

we killed him by thinking about him so much

i tend to agree with this.

either way, how would you like to examine MJ's brain?

Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jul 04, 2009, 12:38 PM
i really want to some metal band turn his ''morphine''  to a rock song (it still rocks tho)

It's similar to some SOAD songs haha :D

Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jul 06, 2009, 10:57 AM
It's because they are still testing to find out what drugs actually killed him and they are testing his brain. Maybe they will keep it like Einsteins brain.

that's true.. i've heard it on the radio too...

Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2009, 07:17 PM
But don't they usually rely on toxicology to determine what drugs were used? This makes no sense. And why are all those stories coming from London? He's not even in London,so why would they get the first hand on this info??

I get all my news stuff from www.ap.org as it's very reliable.

Watching his memorial has been really hard to do. I keep having to leave to go do laundry or change the channel. Way too emotional,and I don't get emotional easily.

He has some really cute kids.

He really does. (even though they aren't biologically his) The whole family part made me too sad,couldn't watch.

Are you positive about those not being his biological kids?  I saw a report like that too but I think it's bogus.  They look too much like him to not be his kids.

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Quote from: Penicks on Jul 07, 2009, 09:48 PM
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LMAO!

ha?

ha?
ha!

honestly i was in shock for one day. then i watched the same damn program on VH1 about michael jackson 4 days in a row last week, and now i'm thinking...it's about damn time...and when will the world ever shut the fuck up about it?

It's starting to make some waves.

[youtube=625,550]xW1fXL3s7bk[/youtube]

Badassery! Seriously,these dudes were ahead of their times with music videos.

cool. yay for sound effects that drown out the music :D

Quote from: defskull on Jul 07, 2009, 09:34 PM
Are you positive about those not being his biological kids?  I saw a report like that too but I think it's bogus.  They look too much like him to not be his kids.

Even though he had the melanin in his skin changed, his genetics would still be black so he would have black children, or half cast. I have read various stories that Macaulay Culkin donated sperm for his first born and Macaulay Culkin only agreed to testify on MJ's behalf as his sperm donation wouldn't be brought up in court.

Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jul 09, 2009, 09:25 AM

Quote from: defskull on Jul 07, 2009, 09:34 PM
Are you positive about those not being his biological kids?  I saw a report like that too but I think it's bogus.  They look too much like him to not be his kids.

Even though he had the melanin in his skin changed, his genetics would still be black so he would have black children, or half cast. I have read various stories that Macaulay Culkin donated sperm for his first born and Macaulay Culkin only agreed to testify on MJ's behalf as his sperm donation wouldn't be brought up in court.

What the fuck....he was such a wacko jacko steals the elephant mans bones.

nice shitty band plug there.

sooo sick of hearing about micheal jackson


the guy was a pedo, wacko freak show

Then don't come in here. Simple.

Quote from: ben on Jul 09, 2009, 02:29 PM
nice shitty band plug there.

haha glad i'm not the only one who knows that title. they're not that bad, Erak is a very talented guitarist.

Quote from: devilinside on Jul 09, 2009, 03:59 PM
Then don't come in here. Simple.

I'm talking about in general, the media is sucking whats left of him.

I'm convinced that CNN killed MJ in order to get some ratings since obamas so boring.

pretty cool tribute here in Stockholm, Sweden:

[youtube=425,350]je1KOcBYGjM[/youtube]

That is so chill..it looked like a random crowd..then bam.

Hahah...thats awesome!! I would have totally done it with them.

I work a 10-15 min walk from where they did it so if I had know about it I would have totally been there!

Ron Artest had his new jersey number be 37 because that's how many weeks Thriller stayed number one on the charts.  That's pretty retarded.

fuck ron artest

Quote from: deftonesfan192 on Jul 09, 2009, 08:07 PM
I know Chino was a fan of Micheal's music I wonder if he was gutted about his death????I know I am personally destroyed about the loss of a legend especially in the field of music where he gave so much....  :'(

I'm sure anyone that liked MJ is upset. I was watching Thriller with my daughter the other night,and it made me cry. People that know me can tell you I do not cry easily. But it's this snip from a blog post I found and posted that sums it up:

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 26, 2009, 04:38 PM
but it's hard to put into words. It's not the loss of Michael Jackson that has me so upset. He was one of the overarching symbols of what was probably the best part of my life. And it's the loss of that which has me a bit inconsolable this morning.

I have no problem getting older,in fact,I love my age now. But when people I can remember,(from when I was 4 years old) die,it sucks. Like they've taken a piece of my childhood with them. I have soo many great memories of MJ....for one it was my first concert. Then my brother had this MJ microphone that synced to a radio station,and you could sing and hear yourself on there. haha I still own the Thriller vinyl. I had the earrings,the red jacket,the glove,a DOLL....his stuff was everywhere. And it was cool. My grandmother assisted with the makeup for the Thriller video,and she has a autographed picture of him framed on her wall. (imma steal it though) Just sad.

Quote from: ben on Jul 10, 2009, 02:48 PM
Ron Artest had his new jersey number be 37 because that's how many weeks Thriller stayed number one on the charts.  That's pretty retarded.

[youtube=425,350]YGo0jGZMawM[/youtube]

check out this song he did for mj

ever since this has gone down, my daughter is listening to MJ non-stop. I even had to dig out my tape of BAD. surprisingly it still plays perfectly.

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Quote from: goldpony on Jul 13, 2009, 05:43 PM
ever since this has gone down, my daughter is listening to MJ non-stop. I even had to dig out my tape of BAD. surprisingly it still plays perfectly.

Same here. And my kids know a lot more about him than I thought...they pointed out to me that he was in Men In Black 2. LOL! My daughter has been doing all his dances and watching his videos on  On Demand constantly.

damn everyone has a kid

Cause kids are bad ass....well mine are at least. :)

A new book insists "virtually everybody" around him knew he was gay.
One (lover) met him for liaisons at a grungy motel which was all the debt-ridden star could afford.
And one told Halperin (the author): "The very first time he had sex with me he said, 'The King of Pop's going to lick your lollipop'. I still laugh thinking about that."
Halperin said: "Virtually everybody has told me. Even those who are his most ardent defenders, people who maintain he is innocent of the molestation charges, insist that he is homosexually inclined."
He claims the two lovers he traced were a Hollywood waiter and an aspiring actor, "Lawrence".
"He was very shy. But when he started to have sex, he was insatiable."
Halperin says Jackson was known to slip out to a motel for gay sex in 2007 when he had moved to Las Vegas.
He reportedly fell in love with a burly half-Asian in his early 20s.
Halperin alleges: "He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson's closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel."
A source tells the book: "He met a construction worker and fell madly in love with him.
"Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas' grungiest dives.
"Michael was broke. It was all he could afford then."

I have no problem with gay people.

Quote from: devilinside on Jul 14, 2009, 04:45 PM
I have no problem with gay people.

haha good saying

I'm still not over this. I loved Michael so much. Even when he was black.

Quote from: Abe on Aug 05, 2009, 07:25 PM
I'm still not over this. I loved Michael so much. Even when he was black.

Because "it doesn't matter if you're black or white."

i just saw a few of his videos (you are not alone, bad, black and white)  and i have to say,  IT SUCKS.   Is the whole world mentally retarded, or is it just me?  because his music is crap.  the lyrics are obviously ghost written by some label "hit maker",  they are all pop crapular,  extremely repetitious,  and strictly pretentious cheese,  in no way is his foot shift sliding, crotch grab dancing impressive,  and his gay little whelps are beyond annoying

I didn't get it when i was a kid,  and now its just plain garbage

all of you mj fans,  why don't you go "pop" in the new lady gaga, britney, justin, or mandy moore cd and cry yourselves to sleep

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you're statement is retarded. Not all people enjoy his music, or anything else about him, but if you fail to see why he was one of the greatest entertainers ever, there's definitely a malfunction in your brain. His voice was out of this world, so was his dance moves, and his stage-persona in general.

that's just as retarded as people who say "fuck The Beatles, they're just boring crappy pop". doesn't really matter if you want to listen to the music or not, if you totally ignore what kind of influence these artsist have been to others and where in the whole timeline of music evolution they acted, your opinion is worth little more than that brown stuff I just squeezed out in the toilet.

Sometimes bands or performers are just there at the right time and place.  I don't like The Beatles in the slightest, and their music is extremely boring.  However, some of the lyrics were very poetic and creative, and there were artists (and I mean artists in the actual sense of the word) that existed within the band.  Were they mindblowing?  No, but the world, and the world of music, needed something different and refreshing.  So now they have their place in the history of music.  The same goes with MJ.  Was he brilliant?  Not at all, and there were performers that existed before him that were just as creative and eccentric with their showmanship, if not more.  However, he came along at the right time and pushed it to the forefront of popular music.  Did these bands influence and change music during their era?  Most certainly, and for that they deserved to be recognized, but they are not untouchable or examples of perfection.  Hell, it's almost as bad as Elvis fanatics puffing out their chests if you mention that you don't like his music.  He brought sexuality and swagger to to a mediocre genre, but other bands and artists had already been doing it in the underground for years.  What makes these performers significant is that they took existing concepts and made them recognizable in popular culture.  It is possible to straddle the fence and tip your hat to these bands/artists without enjoying their music.     

Quote from: ben on Jul 14, 2009, 03:19 PM
'The King of Pop's going to lick your lollipop'.

Who the fuck brings a lollipop to a sexual rendezvous in a seedy motel?

Quote from: oldgentlovecraft on Aug 09, 2009, 01:46 PM
Sometimes bands or performers are just there at the right time and place.  I don't like The Beatles in the slightest, and their music is extremely boring.  However, some of the lyrics were very poetic and creative, and there were artists (and I mean artists in the actual sense of the word) that existed within the band.  Were they mindblowing?  No, but the world, and the world of music, needed something different and refreshing.  So now they have their place in the history of music.  The same goes with MJ.  Was he brilliant?  Not at all, and there were performers that existed before him that were just as creative and eccentric with their showmanship, if not more.  However, he came along at the right time and pushed it to the forefront of popular music.  Did these bands influence and change music during their era?  Most certainly, and for that they deserved to be recognized, but they are not untouchable or examples of perfection.  Hell, it's almost as bad as Elvis fanatics puffing out their chests if you mention that you don't like his music.  He brought sexuality and swagger to to a mediocre genre, but other bands and artists had already been doing it in the underground for years.  What makes these performers significant is that they took existing concepts and made them recognizable in popular culture.  It is possible to straddle the fence and tip your hat to these bands/artists without enjoying their music.    

exactly my point, although you may have put it a bit better than I did :P

wth?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-viral-michael-jackson-coroner-story,0,1779179.htmlstory

great, now we have to have these nuts say he's alive, just like with Elvis?

wow you're still in this thread

Quote from: devilinside on Jul 01, 2009, 09:54 PM
Kick ass,Elvis must be alive then!!!!

Quote from: lostpilot on Aug 26, 2009, 07:32 PM
wow you're still in this thread

Quote from: lostpilot on Aug 26, 2009, 08:12 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Aug 26, 2009, 07:32 PM
wow you're still in this thread

you do make a good point

So?? You're complaining cause someone is posting on this slow ass board??

Quote from: bright lights, big city on Aug 26, 2009, 08:21 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Aug 26, 2009, 08:12 PM

Quote from: lostpilot on Aug 26, 2009, 07:32 PM
wow you're still in this thread

you do make a good point

you are right

Quote from: devilinside on Aug 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
So?? You're complaining cause someone is posting on this slow ass board??

you are right,too


lets make love

sweet sweet love

well, it wouldn't be the first time a celebrity attempts to disappear completely.

Exactly! I found a picture that showed him changed into a woman. lol Said that's the real reason he disappeared.

bollocks

Quote from: Vesanic on Aug 27, 2009, 09:26 PM...

lol
that would inspire Michael Jackson.

fuck michael jackson

Quote from: nonesuch on Aug 31, 2009, 08:05 PM
fuck michael jackson

Thank you.

is he still dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkf5gugMLrk

Quote from: Alvar on Aug 31, 2009, 08:24 PM
is he still dead?

no he lives in our hearts

Quote from: Alvar on Aug 31, 2009, 08:24 PM
is he still dead?

Michael Jackson alive and well in new jersey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNJdTOKKUSo#)

He's on his way to cuba to see Tupac, Bin laden and Santa

Santa died?

WHAT ?!?!??!? Oh noeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

HOW COME THIS THREAD IS STILL ALIVE


oh yes now you will come at me with

KING OF POP WILL NEVER DIE LOL

I miss the fucker. He was a genius that was twisted. Rad!

im gonna get this down...

the guy below the guy below me sssssucks...he sucks so hard, he is a loseeeer

Quote from: indychinoluv on Jul 15, 2011, 08:17 AM
I miss the fucker. He was a genius that was twisted. Rad!

I was about to call you an idiot. But then I realized that anyone who uses the words "genius, twisted, and rad" to describe Michael Jackson, Doesn't deserve to be elevated to the level of idiot.

Trey, your narcissism's fading, the old Trey would have just read "Trey is awesome, rad, and cool" instead of Michael Jackson.  Quick, find a mirror, nigga!!

lol, because i grew up fat.

Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 18, 2011, 06:38 PM
lol, because i grew up fat.

hahaha i was fat too, so where did i go wrong?

hmmmm, this sounds like an interesting sociological experiment if i've ever heard one.  From my personal experience and where I think that led, my fatness seemed to lead to lack of ability/general apathy for sports, where I find most people of a competitive nature release that instinct.  I consider myself sort of competitive, but my competitive release was always in comedy and music, so that could be some of it.  That's always what my dad has been into as well, so that could have something to do with it.  That all sounded really up-my-own-ass, huh?




...michael jackson n shit

Maybe I was an athlete living in a fat guy's body. I've always loved most sports, and I get competitive with the stupidest things. You should see me when I dominate in beer pong.

dude i love throwin a lil pong.  I'm sitting like 6.5 feet from a gigantic beer pong table as I type this.  I'm not like anti-social about sports n shit, I like playing and watching everything every now and again, I just tend more towards good conversation, or just never really get bored with it, or something.  I dunno, really.

But now you made me want to throw some goddamn ping pong balls into some fuckin plastic cups and get all shitty.  I have class tomorrow, damn youse.

Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 18, 2011, 04:51 PM
Trey, your narcissism's fading, the old Trey would have just read "Trey is awesome, rad, and cool" instead of Michael Jackson.  Quick, find a mirror, nigga!!

I have to grow man. Why wont you let me grow?

I thought the only way to kill a zombie was a shot to the head.

You can't trust everything you see on video games.