According to Shaun Lopez, stuff with Chi areshelved.
:o
Source: http://www.shootmeagain.com/interviews/69_far
Original quote in English :
> 3) You also helped produce Deftones' Saturday Night Wrist as well as their forthcoming album, Eros. Could you tell us anything about the album?
That record has been shelved as far as I know. Since no one really knows the status of Chi and if and when he's going to come out of this thing, it's kind of hard to just release a record that he played on. It's a really sad and unreal situation for the band and for me...
I know the band are currently writing more new material and are staying active. I've heard some of the new material and it's great. With the proper producer I think that band could blow minds once again... I'm a friend, but also a big fan of what they do.
Yet, Lopez don't seem sure.
so from what I understand they are starting over with this new guy on bass and pretty much making a new album that will be released in october?
october was a release date for eros.
i dont think they will record a new album for october
Quote from: ablackswan on Jun 03, 2009, 11:36 AM
october was a release date for eros.
i dont think they will record a new album for october
yeah that sounds logical, but wasn't it pretty recently chino talked about the new stuff and said it'd be released in october?
this might be completely new news though and we might hear something more official any moment now.
Fuck man this sucks!! this is such a tragic twist in the Deftones tale..
But i see the reasons why..what else does a band do?
its a tough time for sure..fuck, will Chi return to the 'Tones?
what a bummer!!
but i like this line...
-"With the proper producer I think that band could blow minds once again... "
i agree with that! : )
Goddamnit...
isn´t terry date the "eros" producer?
Quote from: White Wrist on Jun 03, 2009, 12:23 PM
isn´t terry date the "eros" producer?
Yes, its been stated many times.. this is a bullshit post.
maybe i'm too negative, but i'm just hoping Chi can get to the point where he can comunicate, & enjoy his life. i've sorta stopped thinking about a 100% recovery & return to the band, so if that happens someday it would be a really great suprise. (of course i'm hoping & praying for him to make a full recovery...)
Don't know exactly what are they doing... but i think (it could be a possibility of millions) that they're releasing the new album this october with the songs they've written with Sergio, and then, when Chi wakes up, they'll release the stuff they've written with him...
but I don't know... don't know what to think or what is gonna happen...
I'm worried about this situation.... :-\
I really hope Slowpez is wrong.
I really hope he has nothing to do with anything the Deftones put out from now on. He made Chino sound like garbage on SNW. Do not want.
QuoteWith the proper producer I think that band could blow minds once again...
What the fuck is he talking about here? We all know Terry Date was working with them and that 'Eros' is supposedly finished. I'm skeptical...
this is bullshit
Why would they shelve it because Chi is in a coma? Many bands change bassists over time. Worst case scenario assumes that Chi wont be able to play bass anymore, doesn't it make sense to release the last stuff he ever recorded?
ahhh dude, it's in French what the fuck, any english version of this?
Quote from: down_in_a_hole on Jun 03, 2009, 11:08 AM
With the proper producer I think that band could blow minds once again...
That basically means any producer but Shaun Lopez.
this is bullshit....they are writing new material with sergio. and i'd put my life on it that terry is producing it. i doubt we'll hear chi's stuff on the album but their will eventually be an album. it might not be called eros but im sure the deftones are still making music. why would they post picks of them in the studio on twitter if they weren't recording???
they should produce their own album, it would save them a lot of money paying Terry Date
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
Yep, I reckon that's very true but that would be a very wrong move if they do that.
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
well, they get like 1$ for each album sold, split between 5 guys
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 03, 2009, 08:47 PM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
well, they get like 1$ for each album sold, split between 5 guys
I'm highly doubting they get $1 for each album sold.
thanks Vesanic and Hidalgo, this does blow
i think the most depressing part of that interview was the fact that slopez is helping to produce the album, man did he fuck up SNW. I really have a hard time belieiving they would not release the album and write and record all new material. Until i hear it from the band themselves, i call bullshit (though a double chi/sergio album would be kick ass).
slopez scuks...
wow, so much negative response to SNW, I love SNW, I like every song ever heard by deftones (excepts PC, I hate it)
Quote from: pixElsblUr on Jun 03, 2009, 09:48 PM
wow, so much negative response to SNW, I love SNW, I like every song ever heard by deftones (excepts PC, I hate it)
i hate pink cellphone too, it was the worst think Chino ever did. But Deftones are still my fav. band ever!
Not releasing the album because of Chi's current status is stupid, why can't they release it in his honor (Or whatever).
SL is just telling it like he sees it.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/phlegum/therewillbeuntitled.jpg)
I actually prefer the album to be postponed 'till Chi is awaken and then finished with him instead to be recorded with some other guy on the bass.
Quote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:23 AM...
Chino's voice was pretty terrible though. That was mostly what Lopez worked on. See Rapture, Beware, Cherry Waves, and then compare it to any song off of S/T. His vocal parts are awful.
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
blah... how do they get $$ otherwise? major royalties come by way of selling albums rather than live performances
Quote from: yeah on Jun 04, 2009, 09:36 AM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
blah... how do they get $$ otherwise? major royalties come by way of selling albums rather than live performances
um, no. in certain cases (bands like Metallica or artists like Madonna) yes, but for the most part and especially a band like Deftones, no.
merchandise and live performances are what earns the band money.
record sales are mostly important to the record label, even though they try to make it out to be more important to the artists. and guess why? because the record labels want you to buy albums so they can make money.
You would actually be suprised to know what a record company gets and what they have to pay out like staff, rent, bills and money from the sales have to be recouped for marketing costs (approx 22% of the advance has to be recouped for marketing costs) The distributer has to take a cut and to be honest most of the money goes to the retailer for album sales, then theres the various royalty payments.
I spoke to Warner a couple of weeks ago and I was told that everything is now on hold and not to expect anything this year.
Dispite all this, at least Deftones are touring and will showcase some of the new material.
Quote from: yeah on Jun 04, 2009, 09:36 AM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
blah... how do they get $$ otherwise? major royalties come by way of selling albums rather than live performances
You are badly mistaken... Just check aenemic's answer please.... ;)
Quote from: nicklav on Jun 04, 2009, 06:57 AMQuote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:23 AM...
Chino's voice was pretty terrible though. That was mostly what Lopez worked on. See Rapture, Beware, Cherry Waves, and then compare it to any song off of S/T. His vocal parts are awful.
not really, i think he sounds better on snw
Slopez absolutely fucked up SNW. Imagine how much better that album would be if they had stuck with Ezrin, or if Date had produced it.
This whole situation is terrible for the band and fans alike.
I'm totally lost as to what was completed on the record and not sure at the minute where they are at with it. To be fair, if a friend in my band was in the same situation I don't think i'd want to release anything out of respect. Also, the writing around that time is specific to that music so if it suddenly comes to a halt then the mood changes etc - becoming a totally different thing.
Of course we'll get angry/sad/impatient etc but it's not for us to judge or decide.
Life comes first above all else. On the other hand...... I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEW MATERIAL!!!!
So if a friend of yours was in that condition, you would not want to release something he worked hard on and wanted the public to hear out of respect for him? How does that make sense?
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 03, 2009, 08:47 PM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
well, they get like 1$ for each album sold, split between 5 guys
yea its not like a dollar per album. everything has to be paid for and most of the time (unless ur a chart topper) the bands end up owing the record company money, which is paid for by touring. then the touring makes lots of money eventually
To be fair though any money made for Chi is better than no money made for Chi.
Quote from: godin on Jun 05, 2009, 12:17 AM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 03, 2009, 08:47 PM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
well, they get like 1$ for each album sold, split between 5 guys
yea its not like a dollar per album. everything has to be paid for and most of the time (unless ur a chart topper) the bands end up owing the record company money, which is paid for by touring. then the touring makes lots of money eventually
well i've heard it's usually $1 per album, so i'm sticking to that in my mind until proven wrong
Quote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:39 PM...
riviere is awesome
rivieve, kimdracula, combat, cherry waves, xerces, rapture. all great tunes. uuddlrlr is a really nice instrumental, & i'm glad they added it to the album. rats, hite, really the whole album is good. i dont have the foggiest idea why so many people here dont like that album
IMHO, nobody will truly know who contributed which bass lines until they decide to release the record and its written in the liner notes. Until then, nobody will really know which song were written by chi, sergio or both. Its as simple as that.
Quote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:39 PM...
SNW has no replay quality. it gets boring with time
im just not a fan of that album.
i still think deftones have potential. i just wish chi would get better. and then the band hopefully uses the potential
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 05, 2009, 04:57 AMQuote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:39 PM...
SNW has no replay quality. it gets boring with time
with time just about every album gets boring. even your favorite albums needs long breaks sometimes
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 05, 2009, 02:52 PMQuote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 05, 2009, 04:57 AMQuote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:39 PM...
SNW has no replay quality. it gets boring with time
with time just about every album gets boring. even your favorite albums needs long breaks sometimes
Quote from: defskull on Jun 04, 2009, 11:06 PM
So if a friend of yours was in that condition, you would not want to release something he worked hard on and wanted the public to hear out of respect for him? How does that make sense?
It's just what I'd do.... not that any decision is right, mind....
Difficult situation to be fair.
An odd time in the Deftones' chapter I guess.
Quote from: Timmy666 on Jun 05, 2009, 04:38 PMQuote from: Hidalgo on Jun 05, 2009, 02:52 PMQuote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 05, 2009, 04:57 AMQuote from: Vesanic on Jun 04, 2009, 06:39 PM...
SNW has no replay quality. it gets boring with time
with time just about every album gets boring. even your favorite albums needs long breaks sometimes
yeah, but I never get tired of Around the Fur and Deftones (S/T)
to be honest I never thought Melanie was all that great anyways.
Quote from: ilovechino69 on Jun 06, 2009, 04:06 PM
to be honest I never thought Melanie was all that great anyways.
yea,scrapping that song wouldn't hurt my feelings much
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 06, 2009, 05:22 PM
Quote from: ilovechino69 on Jun 06, 2009, 04:06 PM
to be honest I never thought Melanie was all that great anyways.
yea,scrapping that song wouldn't hurt my feelings much
I ditto that. But the intro to "in studio" clips was fucking awesome. As was Steph's playing in "In Studio Clip 3"
QuoteI ditto that. But the intro to "in studio" clips was fucking awesome. As was Steph's playing in "In Studio Clip 3"
AGREED INDEED!
If they don't use that at all (not even in a B-Side), I'm going to :'(
Quote from: Nebontha on Jun 07, 2009, 12:31 AM
QuoteI ditto that. But the intro to "in studio" clips was fucking awesome. As was Steph's playing in "In Studio Clip 3"
AGREED INDEED!
If they don't use that at all (not even in a B-Side), I'm going to :'(
In fucking deed. Like Siberian Divide..
What's Siberian Divide? It sounds like a glassjaw and a head automatica song mashed together.
Quote from: Nebontha on Jun 07, 2009, 12:31 AM
QuoteI ditto that. But the intro to "in studio" clips was fucking awesome. As was Steph's playing in "In Studio Clip 3"
its my new digital bath (nice effect)
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 05, 2009, 02:47 AM
Quote from: godin on Jun 05, 2009, 12:17 AM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 03, 2009, 08:47 PM
Quote from: sharinglungs on Jun 03, 2009, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Hell_Tanner on Jun 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
They haven't done that much for Chi, now they're shelving what he did record with them..so he won't get any royalties from that "new" album? Like Chi or his family don't need that type of cash...
I really hope that's total bullshit! >:(
Band's rarely ever get any money from album sales.
well, they get like 1$ for each album sold, split between 5 guys
yea its not like a dollar per album. everything has to be paid for and most of the time (unless ur a chart topper) the bands end up owing the record company money, which is paid for by touring. then the touring makes lots of money eventually
well i've heard it's usually $1 per album, so i'm sticking to that in my mind until proven wrong
Its about 10 cents an album give or take. Of course this changes from contract to contract. But its for sure no where near a whole dollar. If you do the math, say an album sold 1,000,000 copies they get about $100,000.00 for that. Split 5 ways ( and ill bet chino gets more ) That's around 20 grand a piece for white pony album sales. And we all know that a new Deftones album most likely will not go platinum.
"Hey Mr. and Mrs. Chi. We know your son is still fucked up. But we decided to go ahead and release his album when he is still too fucked up to enjoy his own success and the release to his fans. But we really didnt want to screw you out of his money just in case he never wakes up. So here's 20 grand ( minus taxes ) Go buy a used car with lots of air bags and have a nice day."
Do you see how ridiculous you sound now? And if you REALLY just have to have proof they make less than a dollar instead of taking our words for it ( I wonder how you were proven that they get a whole dollar in the first place? ) then you can read up here on how the whole thing works http://www.musiclaw.me/ (http://www.musiclaw.me/) but I'm not going to waste the time trying to find that part of the contract when everyone generally knows its around 10-15 cents an album.
everyone does not generally know that, the whole music business is a mystery. i have no clue why, but musicians/record labels hide the amount of money bands make, it's never talked about. makes no sense, we can know what every nfl, nba, & mlb player makes, but not signed bands
and here's what i found in that link you posted, which i'm pretty sure is where i got the idea that it's around 1$ an album in the first place
" In all, a band can expect an average of $1.00 in royalties for each full-priced CD sold through normal retail channels and less elsewhere. "
here's another article saying it's around 1$, give or take
So, here is how it looks so far. Let's say a CD sells for $15. Right away we deduct 25% from that for packaging, which makes the royalty base $11.25. Now let's say our artist has a 10% royalty rate and that his CD sells one million copies. That sounds great! The artist would earn $1,125,000! Except 10% of those were actually freebies, so we really have to calculate that royalty based on 900,000, which makes the royalty $1,012,500, and of course, there are few costs we haven't talked about yet.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm
im pretty sure michael jackson had the best royalties ever deal with 1.25 per album
the tones get nowhere neaaaaaar a dollar
well if the "average" is 1.00 for signed bands, & they're a pretty damn successful band, i bet they make 1.00 each album, or real close. how can anyone here without facts sit there & say they make nowhere near 1.00 an album, when the "average" is $1.00? odds are they make real close to that or a bit over
i'm going with the detailed articles, not just random opinion. now, you get one of the deftones members here & they tell us they make nowhere near 1.00$ an album then it would be official, till then i'm closer to being right than anyone else based on info. you guys are acting like 1$ an album is a lot. it isnt, & it's the average
since i have a good idea about the record sales, i'd like to know what kinda royalties they get from concert ticket sales. but i'm not just gonna take any random word for it, i'll check into it sometime
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 21, 2009, 11:08 PM
well if the "average" is 1.00 for signed bands, & they're a pretty damn successful band, i bet they make 1.00 each album, or real close. how can anyone here without facts sit there & say they make nowhere near 1.00 an album, when the "average" is $1.00? odds are they make real close to that or a bit over
i'm going with the detailed articles, not just random opinion. now, you get one of the deftones members here & they tell us they make nowhere near 1.00$ an album then it would be official, till then i'm closer to being right than anyone else based on info. you guys are acting like 1$ an album is a lot. it isnt, & it's the average
since i have a good idea about the record sales, i'd like to know what kinda royalties they get from concert ticket sales. but i'm not just gonna take any random word for it, i'll check into it sometime
If Deftones got 1$ per album + more than that per ticket sales.. none of them would have gone broke some years back.
they werent touring then(in well over a year), & didnt have a new album out, so the royalties they got split 5 ways wasnt very much. plus they got familes & kids to feed, etc. makes sense to me still. 1$ an album on slow album sales isnt gonna get it done with no touring
yeah, touring is everything...
but people like me doesnt wanna hear the same songs every year (thats a lie to make them release that fuckin album)
Quote from: rock_n_frost on Jun 22, 2009, 01:51 PM
yeah, touring is everything...
but people like me doesnt wanna hear the same songs every year (thats a lie to make them release that fuckin album)
a little reverse psychology should make the album come out faster lol ;)
Quote from: beLIEve on Jun 21, 2009, 10:47 PM
im pretty sure michael jackson had the best royalties ever deal with 1.25 per album
U2 get the best royaly rate with 32%
Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jun 23, 2009, 09:53 AM
Quote from: beLIEve on Jun 21, 2009, 10:47 PM
im pretty sure michael jackson had the best royalties ever deal with 1.25 per album
U2 get the best royaly rate with 32%
yea, that's a lot more than $1.25, that's over 3$
Thats because there is more to royalties than just album sales. Also Bands like U2 have a lot more negotiating power than Deftones. MJ Went like dam triple diamond or some shit. He can go get a record deal anywhere. So of course the record company is going to try to give him a really good deal to keep him on their label. But the best the tones have done was WP going platinum. They are pretty successful and all, but in comparison with say...The Eagles, not so much. So they don't have that much pull with record labels to get better deals. If MJ was getting $1.25 an album, I seriously doubt deftones were getting a whole dollar. I'm sticking with 10 cents. Especially since if you understand how averages work. You would know that just a couple bands like U2 making a shit ton off album sales can totally fuck up an average even if there are tons making only 10 cents.
white pony, and adrenaline are platinum. ATF will go platinum too (it's on the verge, no stopping it now it's so close)
(i've already said i'm stickin with $1, so that doesnt need to be discussed again)
sure they dont sell like Michael Jackson, but damn near no one has, or ever will since. he's sold like over 750,000,000 worldwide(3rd most ever i think, behind the bealtes & Elvis) and thriller has sold 109,000,000 albums worldwide. #1 by far). that's mind blowing to say the least. deftones are around 6 million worldwide
Quote from: Hidalgo on Jun 28, 2009, 05:10 AMATF will go platinum too (it's on the verge, no stopping it now it's so close)
ah come oooon, i keep reading that since i started coming here in 2004 ;)
i think it's at like 990,000. it's too close not to get there. that last 10k might take a year or so(especially with record sales at an insane all time low), but it's gonna happen. it never quits selling. it's awesome albums that old from them still havent died
i love atf...it deserve platinium more than adrenaline
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I ditto that. But the intro to "in studio" clips was fucking awesome. As was Steph's playing in "In Studio Clip 3"
AGREED INDEED!
If they don't use that at all (not even in a B-Side), I'm going to Cry
EDIT/UPDATE:
...and I'm already sad enough what with Chi's condition and all... :'(
and the fact that they're not going to release "Eros" anytime real soon... :(
dammit, if that album's "not up to their standards", then they should like, post a few of the tracks on MySpace or SOMETHING...
i like melanie anyway
im sure the studio version will rock..