whos better?
danny.
end of thread.
yeah really. its lame to ever compare. but lets put it this way... danny would be able to play all of deftones material. abe wouldn't be able to play all of tool's
nobody can play like danny carey. i'm a tool fan so im kind of on his dick. but he is the man
yeah, yeah but Abe still owns at the drums. he is really good live and his drum patterns are very sophisticated. cant wait for what he is gonna dish out on Eros.
i hear its gonna be fast... real fast. he's 7 feet tall! and he'll shoot fireballs from his eyes and lightening bolts from is arse
abe would need a bigger kit to compare to danny but yea it's more a question of who you like more and i pick abe
are you asschirps havin' a laugh? this guy sucks ass, he's average at best and has no unique style. abe hits the drums way harder, can duplicate this amateur's style easily and has a much better sounding setup.
this topic is either absurdly ridiculous by comparing a really great drummer to shit like danny carey or a joke. whatever the case, it's not even remotely funny.
Quote from: blondie on Mar 06, 2008, 08:41 AM
are you asschirps havin' a laugh? this guy sucks ass, he's average at best and has no unique style. abe hits the drums way harder, can duplicate this amateur's style easily and has a much better sounding setup.
this topic is either absurdly ridiculous by comparing a really great drummer to shit like danny carey or a joke. whatever the case, it's not even remotely funny.
I hope you're just trying to be an ass.
I love Abe, he's probably the one drummer that has inspired my own drumming the most, but there's no doubt in hell that Danny isn't a more skilled drummer with a unique style.
Quote from: el perro on Mar 06, 2008, 07:55 AM
abe would need a bigger kit to compare to danny
That's stupid. It's not the size of the kit, it's how you use it.
You can recognise Abe's style a mile off.
Heard numerous high profile engineers big up Abe, especially on ATF ablum; he goes in and out of beat all the time, in a good way of course. Very unique so I wouldn't dumb down Abe's level at all, so in essence I prefer his style over Danny's. Danny's is more of a typical prog setup.
in and out of beat?
I think everyone knows its danny who is the teck master.. Although I like the way abe play's
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Mar 06, 2008, 05:54 AM
its lame to ever compare. but lets put it this way... danny would be able to play all of deftones material. abe wouldn't be able to play all of tool's
That's right
yeah...we like abe. but danny is a master!
Yeah, I gotta give it to Danny
I think their both fkn awesome in there own way..
comparison sucks.
Quote from: mascara87 on Mar 06, 2008, 03:36 PM
I think their both fkn awesome in there own way..
Word. But anywayz, Danny is the best - Abe's the boss.
experience my friends... experience... danny...
Abe's better for sure
Quote from: Crazylegs on Mar 06, 2008, 10:45 AM
Quote from: el perro on Mar 06, 2008, 07:55 AM
abe would need a bigger kit to compare to danny
That's stupid. It's not the size of the kit, it's how you use it.
Are we still talking about drums?
Just kidding.
I think it should be self-evident that Danny Carey is TECHNICALLY a better player. I'm sure there are things that Danny does that Abe can't do. But I doubt there is anything Abe can do that Danny can't. It really doesn't really matter at this point because though Danny's technical proficiency is more than likely higher than Abe's, Abe is still one fuckin' hell of a drummer with sick fuckin chops. I mean, he kicks all types of ass. At that point its really just a matter of taste. Who's style do you prefer? That's all that matters.
question should have been 'who do you prefer' rather than 'who's better', because danny carey is better (no shit?) i do prefer abe's drumming better though, he can really get you in to a groove...
hmm whats better
Tea and cake? or Death? lets see...tea and cake...or be put to death...hmm tough one ...would i rather drink tea and eat cake....or be put to death? hmmm...
Comparing drum styles...to be serious it's futile.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on Mar 07, 2008, 01:51 AM
Quote from: Crazylegs on Mar 06, 2008, 10:45 AM
Quote from: el perro on Mar 06, 2008, 07:55 AM
abe would need a bigger kit to compare to danny
That's stupid. It's not the size of the kit, it's how you use it.
Are we still talking about drums?
Just kidding.
haha.
I think Danny is more technically minded. If you wanted to hire a drummer to play on your album and you only had a limited time to do it in, Danny would come in and do it for you in a day, no problem. Abe to me is more of a 'musician' where his drumming ability adds to the music, just like a musical instrument should do. Don't get me wrong, Danny is an incredible drummer, but I'd rather listen to someone who 'plays' their instrument rather than someone who can do triplets in record speed time...
Quote from: Starz on Mar 08, 2008, 01:41 AM
Abe to me is more of a 'musician' where his drumming ability adds to the music, just like a musical instrument should do.
Abe , to me , is more of a drunk
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Mar 07, 2008, 02:41 AM
question should have been 'who do you prefer' rather than 'who's better', because danny carey is better (no shit?) i do prefer abe's drumming better though, he can really get you in to a groove...
Agreed.
You can't fucking compare. Two totally different drummers.
Sure, Danny could play all of Abes shit no problem. But could he have come up with it in the first place?
where the fuck have you been?
nice to see you.
Oh, you know. Here and there. I just been a busy boy.. Getting myself a life and shit, haha.
Nice to see you too man.
abe is monkai brotha he rulez tha drumz he haz gonna gonna kill all ya pussys... boom dead. no dogg shit.
Crack is wack.
danny's got a typical progressive setup. he is technically better (maybe not, i mean, you can't tell til you've heard abe trying to be technically perfect, although, i don't think he's tried and i don't think he is)
but it's about writing at the end. abe's written better drum parts than danny. but yeah, if i wanted to hire someone for recording, it'd be danny. he's more of a one-take guy.
also, danny's got better ideas about drumming patterns, with the fibonacci thing on lateralus. abe's usually got his 4/4 and he makes that work really well. it's hard making a 4/4 work all the time without being repetitive.
personally, i'd pick abe, he's been my favourite for a long time. there's a savage skill in his drum playing when i hear it, i love that about deftones. and yeah, he's a big guy, a real threat to the skins. also, he's not technically wrong when it comes to drumming. not too technically advanced, but not technically wrong.
cool vid of Danny Carey, love his use of that huge 'gong' cymbal behind him @ 01:54...puts his stick under his arm, grabs another stick, then replaces it...pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbFrl9wLBA&feature=related
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 06, 2008, 01:47 PM
in and out of beat?
ever heard of a click track?
Quote from: wither-I on Mar 06, 2008, 07:08 AM
i hear its gonna be fast... real fast. he's 7 feet tall! and he'll shoot fireballs from his eyes and lightening bolts from is arse
you've got no idea how funny that is to me. My friends listen to wallace's speech on the daily
Danny.
danny is better.
but abe is cooler
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/Deadpool01/Abe.gif?t=1206471757)
Quote from: fireflyry on Mar 07, 2008, 05:47 PM
Comparing drum styles...to be serious it's futile.
you are 100% correct about this.
But I will still say danny. Im really no expert on music or technical drumming or anything like that. But I know what my ears like and danny has it.
Quote from: Jambi on Mar 23, 2008, 10:25 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 06, 2008, 01:47 PM
in and out of beat?
ever heard of a click track?
yeah, I'm a drummer myself. my previous post wasn't meant like "what is that?"... it was more of a "where did you get that from?". sure, he throws in some off-beat drumming in a couple of songs (actually I can only think 2) - but it's definitely not something that's typical for his style. on the other hand, Danny plays that shit all the time without you even realizing...
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 25, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Jambi on Mar 23, 2008, 10:25 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 06, 2008, 01:47 PM
in and out of beat?
ever heard of a click track?
yeah, I'm a drummer myself. my previous post wasn't meant like "what is that?"... it was more of a "where did you get that from?". sure, he throws in some off-beat drumming in a couple of songs (actually I can only think 2) - but it's definitely not something that's typical for his style. on the other hand, Danny plays that shit all the time without you even realizing...
what are those two songs, and what parts? I'm interested in knowing.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RUcdMva9RnQ&feature=related
he makes drumming seem so easy.. and that drum kit is insane
Quote from: Deftones-argentina on Mar 27, 2008, 04:09 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 25, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Jambi on Mar 23, 2008, 10:25 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 06, 2008, 01:47 PM
in and out of beat?
ever heard of a click track?
yeah, I'm a drummer myself. my previous post wasn't meant like "what is that?"... it was more of a "where did you get that from?". sure, he throws in some off-beat drumming in a couple of songs (actually I can only think 2) - but it's definitely not something that's typical for his style. on the other hand, Danny plays that shit all the time without you even realizing...
what are those two songs, and what parts? I'm interested in knowing.
he plays off-beat in RX Queen for example - that's the most obvious song. also the main beat in Digital Bath has an off-beat pattern on the hi-hat.
now that I read back on the posts however, it hits me that he might have meant that Abe doesn't necessarily keep the beat while playing... and if that's what he meant, then I don't really know what to say. not keeping the beat doesn't make you a good/unique drummer in any way. it makes you a bad drummer. and Abe does, in fact, not always keep the beat when playing live. it works though, as the entire band doesn't always sound that "tight".
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 25, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Jambi on Mar 23, 2008, 10:25 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 06, 2008, 01:47 PM
in and out of beat?
ever heard of a click track?
yeah, I'm a drummer myself. my previous post wasn't meant like "what is that?"... it was more of a "where did you get that from?". sure, he throws in some off-beat drumming in a couple of songs (actually I can only think 2) - but it's definitely not something that's typical for his style. on the other hand, Danny plays that shit all the time without you even realizing...
I didn't say that Danny didn't do it either, it's just Abe's style is way more distinctive... well I think a classic example is Lhabia for me... and the whole of the ATF album in areas; it is all over the place, and my engineer friend who I am talking about did work with MH recently, so I don't doubt his knowledge. I aren't saying at all "abe is god, balls to Danny"... it's an impossible verdict anyway on this subject, but Abe's style (espeically with the hint of Stewart Copeland style he puts in, [damn I love his drumming too] ) makes him a really original drummer.
It's damn hard to be original these days, but I think Abe has it down to a tee, regarding Drummers that is.
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 28, 2008, 09:45 AM
as the entire band doesn't always sound that "tight".
Hmm.. I've always been impressed how "tight" they do sound when I see them live... well I suppose there were a few shows in the 18 times I've seen them that they might have been off...
danny is better...
Danny, easily
Quote from: bangbang240 on Mar 28, 2008, 04:50 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Mar 28, 2008, 09:45 AM
as the entire band doesn't always sound that "tight".
Hmm.. I've always been impressed how "tight" they do sound when I see them live... well I suppose there were a few shows in the 18 times I've seen them that they might have been off...
well, like most bands they've become better over time. from what I've seen/heard, shows from '98-'03 aren't as tight as more recent shows.
hi everyone
!!!!
.. My Own Summer,...snare-sound
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjAhCD-gORY (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjAhCD-gORY)
all the glory to carey, but nothing makes me wanna play my kit more then this song...especially the way abe plays it live fuck...
Quote from: UrZ* on Apr 16, 2008, 09:55 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjAhCD-gORY (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjAhCD-gORY)
all the glory to carey, but nothing makes me wanna play my kit more then this song...especially the way abe plays it live fuck...
...makes me wanna lose it! FUCK! haha
oh and also, im sure we can all agree that Zach Hill is the greatest drummer that has ever lived/existed/touched a kit in all of the universe EVER. (period).
definitely not.
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 16, 2008, 07:23 PM
oh and also, im sure we can all agree that Zach Hill is the greatest drummer that has ever lived/existed/touched a kit in all of the universe EVER. (period).
Ummm.. No.
ummmm yes.
if you think he's the best there is, you're listening to the wrong bands.
i may be.... point me in the right direction sir
meshuggah
king crimson
porcupine tree
rush
any track including steve gadd behind the kit
also, i'm not a fan of the band, but dillinger escape plan's drummer is a beast
that should get you started. Don't get me wrong, i likes me some Zach Hill, he certainly has a unique style, but best ever. come on.
neil peart is pretty darn good
who cares?
Quote from: Crazylegs on Apr 16, 2008, 10:38 PM
meshuggah
king crimson
porcupine tree
rush
any track including steve gadd behind the kit
also, i'm not a fan of the band, but dillinger escape plan's drummer is a beast
that should get you started. Don't get me wrong, i likes me some Zach Hill, he certainly has a unique style, but best ever. come on.
no
no
no
no
thank you though.
style reigns king.
one word.... syncopation.
zach wins again.
locked.
bless.